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[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Please don't tell me to stop and breathe, I'm fully calm in this discussion.

My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like "he did this because he has schizophrenia" only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm not talking about your calmness but your overreaction.

You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor. I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not an overreaction. It's a reaction to someone being ignorant and repeating the same thing over and over. And yes, you need to be a psychiatrist to determine that. Specifically, you need to be their psychiatrist. You don't diagnose people off a news article. Stop it.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee -3 points 7 months ago

Mentally ill man did insane thing. Could his illness be a factor? Yes, obviously!! Are you people for fucking real?!!

[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

~~You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor.~~

~~I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.~~

~~Please continue saying more contradictory statements.~~

~~If you think it could be a factor, then you think it might be a reason that he did this. It could be a factor, but again, neither of us are equipped to evaluate the mental status of someone based on news articles.~~

Edit: Factor =/= Reason. My argument in this message is flatly incorrect due to this, though I'll leave it up.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Factor and reason is not the same thing...

[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know what, you're right. Looks like I've gone too long assuming they were interchangeably usable by changing the surrounding words.

I'll redact my previous statement, though to be clear, I still strongly disagree that one could say that the attackers schizophrenia was definitely a factor in this without having a previously existing mental evaluation and the expertise to understand it. You could say that it's more likely to have been influenced by his schizophrenia, but as I previously noted, a relatively small minority of schizophrenic people are violent (10-15%).

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Fair enough! 🙂