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A new mass grave has been discovered at al-Shifa Hospital where a two-week siege by the Israeli army has turned the facility into a graveyard and put what was once Gaza’s largest medical complex out of service.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Israel's founding principles are all those terrible things and the state was formed around them, just like how Nazi Germany was formed on fascism, racism, genocide, land grabs, etc. Nazi Germany is not the same as the Germany we know today or the Germany which existed before Nazi Germany. You're tying the people to the state even though the state can change without forcing everyone out of it.

There was a one-state solution where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived peacefully and that was Palestine long before the formation of Israel. Of course, there are always agitators who push for discrimination to grab power, but peace is a never-ending struggle that requires vigilance. If we can denazify Germany, we can deisraelize Palestine.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Nazi Germany is not, but it is still Germany nonetheless. Your proposal is equivalent to the elimination of the concept of Germany in its entirety.

Basing your solution on a state that last existed in 1516 is an awful approach, and ignores the Israeli people's right to self determination.

Additionally, the number of people who identify as Israeli significantly outnumbers the number of those who identify as Palestinian, so your one state solution still involves a state in which Palestinians continue to be a minority in a nation where Israelis have political control.

And you haven't even begin to consider how you'd actually make it happen - are you expecting netanyahu to volunteer to join Palestine, or are you proposing a full fledged invasion of Israel, a regional military superpower?

Really, this is one of those situations where an idea is so bad, that it's not viable to list all the reasons why it's a bad idea

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 5 months ago

Basing your solution on a state that last existed in 1516 is an awful approach, and ignores the Israeli people's right to self determination.

Yea, the whole "Make Judea Great Again" idea holds no water, yet here we are.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I don't know how you determined that to be my proposal, unless you think the people of Israel cannot exist without all the racism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, etc. Even when we defeated Nazi Germany, most of the people living there still lived there.

I'd say basing solutions on what worked in the past is a good approach, actually. I'm not saying that we turn back the clock since that's impossible and not even optimal. What we should be doing is moving towards a society that promotes peace and harmony, using what worked and improving it with lessons learned in the modern age. Israel as it exists now does not do that at all, and in fact does the opposite in many cases.

The idea would be to combine Israel and Palestine to form a new country where everyone can participate democratically and the rights of the minority are protected.