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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

FRSO does not officially believe that last part.

PSL are not tailist

Also, we at CPUSA are not feds or supporters of Democrats.

[–] shitholeislander@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

FRSO does not officially believe that last part.

if that's the case then maybe i should reassess my view on them

all I've seen PSL doing is showing up to marches with placards but then running away as soon as things get spicy, and in general failing to actually engage with the masses and determine a revolutionary programme that will win their support. they had a strong presence in the 2020 uprisings and a strong presence in the present Palestine solidarity movement but I see non-communist organisers in those movements often critiquing PSL's participation in them (perhaps, admittedly, the PSL organisers who did do this effectively back in 2020 were the ones who got murdered by the pigs)

and forgive me if i'm wrong but didn't the CPUSA say that people should vote Biden in 2020 as a "vote against fascism" or something. i'm also not gonna suggest the CPUSA is entirely fed operated but there is a long history of successful infiltration there.

overall i'm not saying that none of these sects have any value or that they don't have a lot of decent communists involved, but none of them are exactly the American Bolsheviks, and only the FRSO seems willing to admit that it's not The Party in any way shape or form at present.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

FRSO are good comrades and they have been growing by leaps and bounds and even helped get a few legislation passed in Chicago, despite their "small" size.

I've worked with PSL comrades. They're fine. Keep in mind that it depends on the group.

CPUSA's Twitter account said something to that effect (which did not specify Biden), but we are barred from supporting or endorsing candidates outside of our own and even had a schism with Sam Webb back in 2014 when he tried to turn CPUSA into a Dem group. Sam Webb lost and the rest of the Nat'l Committee won. It also may depend on the specific part of the CPUSA and, keep in mind, CPUSA has had at times internal disagreements and differing opinions. But in general, since 2014 and especially since 2019, things have been better, imho.

Also, they're not "sects." They're not religious groups. We need to stop viewing ML groups like this. We're scientific socialists. We shouldn't be castigating each other, especially those that are out there on the streets fighting oppression, yeah? Which is why I don't speak of them that way.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I see non-communist organisers in those movements often critiquing PSL's participation in them

So libs?

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Libs but also not just libs. And it's a common enough criticism that I think they must have a couple things backwards internally when it comes to coalition building and organizing competencies.

I can also vouch for this being an accurate criticism in my current location. I helped out with a recent action they organized and it was straight-up unsafe in a way that was easily preventable and they failed to have seemingly any plan for training people on what to do before, during, or after the action.

But don't forget that the left is small in the US and still learning. PSL can and likely will improve through experience and comrades here can be part of that.