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Who would you save between your cat and your worst enemy? (lemmy.zip)

submitted 7 months ago by atotayo@lemmy.zip to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I've been discussing with my sister (a big fan of her cats) about what lives we would save in an emergency. I think a human live is worth more than an animal's no question asked but she thinks otherwhise. So to end this discussion I'm writing here.

Who would you save between your cat and your worst enemy?
What if it was between your cat and a stranger?
Why?

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[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like the idea that an animal life is worth less than a human life is demonstrably true at a societal level though, right?

Society will make all sorts of fucked up (and some not-so-fucked up) decisions about what's acceptable and what's not, "true" is not the right word here.

Like, we don’t sell human parts at a grocery store to eat, and I feel like people would call it a moral tragedy if we did.

Selling cat parts would be seen as a moral tragedy too, at least in my society.

If an animals life is equivalent to a humans, then meat is in fact murder, no?

Life eats life, an organism that kills for biological need isn't a murderer (though our diet + modern factory farming system arguably is). Killing a conscious being of any species unnecessarily can be considered murder I'd say. If there was an animal that (still existed anyways) evolved to eat humans, it would not be murder for it to eat.

Ultimately, humans are not inherently more entitled to anything, including life, more than any other species, though society is likely to disagree.

I'd choose

1 - cat

2 - ~~human~~ cat

~~3 - because the fallout from the human death will be more than from the cat, and could itself include a pet death or cat in a cage for years (people tend to not care much about a deceased person's cat).~~

3 - I'm changing my answer after reading a few others. They're right, I am responsible for my cats, they are my family and I promised to care for them.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel like you're taking a bit of a dissonant position here, no?

If it would be a moral tragedy to kill a cat and eat it, why is that not true for a cow? If life eats life, it's not murder for me to kill and eat the cat, correct? So why is it a moral evil if killing and eating the cow is not?

I think you're saying that this is just one of the "fucked up" stances that society has taken? But then why participate in it?

I'm fine with either answer. Either "eating meat is fine because animal life is less valuable than people's dietary needs/preferences," or "vegetarianism is the only moral option, as all life is equally valuable," but it seems to me like any answer in the middle is hypocrisy, no?

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Either "eating meat is fine because animal life is less valuable than people's dietary needs/preferences," or "vegetarianism is the only moral option, as all life is equally valuable," but it seems to me like any answer in the middle is hypocrisy, no?

I dug into this more deeply in another response, but no. Life can be equally valuable and we can accept that evolution and history has led us to a place where we end life without feeling a sense of superiority over that life.

Imagine a poker game. You have been dealt a winning hand. You are incredibly confident of this and are correct to feel so. Are you a better person for winning that hand? Is this a signal that you're not only expected to take the money of the others at the table, but permitted to do so because you are a better person?

We are the species that was dealt a better hand. This puts us in a position of power. This does not make us "better", nor does it negate the value of those other lives, despite the position we find ourselves in. Yet we do, ultimately, get to collect as a result of that hand.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

If it would be a moral tragedy to kill a cat and eat it, why is that not true for a cow? If life eats life, it’s not murder for me to kill and eat the cat, correct? So why is it a moral evil if killing and eating the cow is not?

You may have misunderstood, or maybe I didn't word it clearly. There is no moral difference between killing and eating a cow or a cat, or even another human if need be but our society doesn't see it that way, and that's probably a good thing.

I think you’re saying that this is just one of the “fucked up” stances that society has taken? But then why participate in it?

It's quite difficult for one born in a society and living within a society's geographical bounds to just "not participate in it". I choose to not participate in parts as I am able. I am able to afford meat that is not produced in the factory farm system (i.e. crowdcow), and so that is one way.

but it seems to me like any answer in the middle is hypocrisy, no?

Yes, it's really nearly impossible to participate as a normal member of modern liberal society without being a major hypocrite. The more you try to not be a hypocrite, the more people think you're a weirdo.