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There's no coming back from that (lemmy.world)
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[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Alright, let me walk back and apologize for my performative argumentation and be extremely clear about my opinion in the shortest, most sincere way I can do this.

  • Fewer human drivers is good

  • Fewer cars on the road at all is better

  • Self driving does significantly increase the safety of roads, however increasing transit and reducing cars on the road increases safety for everyone by a larger margin

  • While selfdriving is good to reduce the number of human caused accidents, telsa's implementation is has no secondary sensors, and no map correlation for it's vision results

  • Even with self driving, car centric infrastructure steals valuable space that could be used for housing, transit or pedestrians

  • Ultimately, I think our disconnect is that my argumentation made it seem like I dont support both (I was really unclear, I apologize) self driving is really awesome for road safety, but on it's own, it still means there's generally the same amount of cars on the road. Implementation of (reliable) self driving in combination with other regulatory changes such as larger public transit investment, stricter testing regulations, stronger punishments for breaking driving laws, and more regulation on where cars are allowed will do more than self driving on its own could ever do.

[–] Nevoic@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Agreed on everything, like I said in my first comment. I was fairly confident we were on the same page on everything, less cars is good, less human drivers is good, etc. I hate Musk, you hate Musk, etc.

Also I appreciate the humility, it's something very few people have, and what you've done here is what I hope I'm also able to do when needed.

I'm fully in favor of the USSR/European/Chinese/Japanese/etc. model for public transit (prefer public transportation over cars as much as possible). It vastly outperforms the U.S in every important metric (safety, reliability, cost, etc.)

Also agree that self-driving is a small piece of the overall picture. It's just I think that's the only piece Tesla really has a part in playing, most of the improvements need to happen on the government's end.