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[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

systematic teaching of humans, where we are teaching each other causal relations. The two are fundamentally different.

So you mean that a key component to intelligence is learning from others? What about animals that don't care for their children? Are they not intelligent?

What about animals that can't learn at all, wheere their barains are completely hard wired from birth. Is that not intelligence?

You seem to be objecting that OPs questions are too philosophical. The question "what is intelligence" can only be solved by philosophical discussion, trying to break it down into other questions. Why is the question about the "brain as a calculator" objectionable? I think it may be uncomfortable for you to even speak of but that would only be an indicator that there is something to it.

It would indeed throw your world view upside down if you realised that you are also just a computer made of flesh and all your output is deterministic, given the same input.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So you mean that a key component to intelligence is learning from others? What about animals that don’t care for their children? Are they not intelligent?

You contradict yourself, the first part of your sentence getting my point correctly, and the second questioning an incorrect understanding of my point.

What about animals that can’t learn at all, wheere their barains are completely hard wired from birth. Is that not intelligence?

Such an animal does not exist.

It would indeed throw your world view upside down if you realised that you are also just a computer made of flesh and all your output is deterministic, given the same input.

That's a long way of saying "if free will didn't exist", at which point your argument becomes moot, because I would have no influence over what it does to my world view.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

My main point is that falsifying a hypothesis based on how it makes you feel is not very productive. You just repeated it again. You seem to get mad by just posing the question.