Well, considering the length of response, and time between them, this was a copy-pasta. But, given the context, I will read through this. I do genuinely want to like have some discourse because, admittedly, I’m not a china expert.

However, you’re going to need to give me time, and this is a lot to go through.

And I may have some counter points and questions, so please be patient?

At the end of the day, I really don’t think china = bad. Us = good. However, I find that whenever I have conversations with anyone about it, on either side, they refuse to see how any sane person could come to a conclusion that isn’t theirs.

I’m very open to changing my mind, but it may take some time if you’re up for it.

Also hitting me with the “YoU ReAd TaBloIDs” then hitting me with a qz article is🤌🏻 however, I’ll be open.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Here’s a fun bonus one:

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This comes up often enough that I do have the sources handy. And sure, if you have actual questions/points that aren't just flippant then we can discuss those.

[–] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I will do my best to add something and questions beyond the “china bad” narrative.

If I do come up with some stuff that you think is disingenuous, please call it out, maybe I’ll be able to rephrase certain things. I’ll reply up a bit in the chain after I look into everything!

(This may take like a day or 2 realistically)

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No rush, it's a big link dump to go through. Most people don't really bother, so I appreciate the fact that you're willing to actually examine the evidence that's available.

[–] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is certainly a link dump lmao if I do change my mind on the dump alone, I won’t just quietly “ope, guess I’m wrong, delete everything” either hahahah but, I may add some strike through’s and edits as to why I don’t think something as I go. This is going to be my personal deep dive on this topic. If there’s anything I’m strongly “anti” it’s human atrocities. Lmao, high bar, right? But, I do like to light up any government I get to when it comes to that shit.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

I would hope most people are against atrocities. The question is ultimately what the truth of any particular situation is, and what the motivations of the people are. Understanding that is not always easy, but a good rule of thumb is that nations tend to be less than truthful about their geopolitical rivals.