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I installed Linux Mint a few days ago. It's been great so far.
Windows 11 made my girlfriend's laptop so slow, even she asked me to install Linux, and she is not even a techy type.
Nature is healing!
I installed Mint for my elderly mom a couple years ago, because Windows 7 was EOL and even 10 would've been too slow (had an experience with an involuntary upgrade on our family laptop years earlier).
I installed pop os and libre office on my wife's laptop not long after Pop was released, and by now I don't think she would know what to do on Windows or Mac. So proud of her.
I wanna like Linux but I play too many games with anti-cheats that just don't work on Linux yet :(
I mean, you’re not wrong. Anticheat is pretty much the one thing that Linux doesn’t play nicely with. Given, it’s largely on the game producers to fix, not on the OS. But it’s still a valid complaint from an end user perspective.
If Linux fans truly want to encourage migration, stifling valid complaints isn’t the way to do it. The issue with everyone going “oh it’s so easy, it’s so much better, you won’t regret it at all” is that as soon as a user encounters a hangup they’ll be more inclined to just abandon it altogether. Because if everyone is going “oh it’s so easy” but you’re not having an easy time with it, then you’ll quickly conclude that maybe it’s just not the right fit for you. And the people going “lul just don’t play those games then dummy” need to get some friends. Because when all of those friends are playing the shiny new game but they’re locked out of it due to their choice of OS, they may consider dual-booting Windows just to be able to keep up with their friends.
But this is Lemmy and the Linux fanboys can’t tolerate a single toe out of line. So I guess it makes sense why you got downvoted.
It's the other way around.
Anticheat doesn't play well with Linux.
Did you stop reading right there to comment? Because I say exactly that in the very next sentence. I agree with you. It’s just odd that you’d quote that one specific sentence with a “well akshually” when I literally addressed that exact thing one sentence down.
you say its on the game devs to fix, but game devs don't usually roll their own anticheat. And when they do it would then be their problem, i suppose it could be them having had a bad decision i suppose?
An important distinction, for sure
Edit: this was not sarcasm, I honestly agree. Lemmy needs a not sarcasm tag.
it's technically a valid complaint, it's not a linux problem though. Don't come crying to us when your game doesn't work, we've literally made 90% of all games ever work under linux with zero effort for the end user.
It'd be like buying a proprietary macbook for instance, and then when you find out that the only people who want to service it, are the people who sold you it at an aggressive price, who will then still, ask you for even more money. Only to complain about right to repair not letting you repair your device, even though it's an apple issue.
What do you want us to say? We can't physically test every game to ever exist, and premeditate every issue to ever have possibly occurred to someone. Part of linux is literally learning how to solve these problems, that's why linux is such a great system OS, when you have problems, you can often just fix them yourself.
I mean sure maybe linux is too hard for you, how hard did you try to understand it? Maybe it's not the right fit for you, but then i would expect people to just not care about linux. Rather than call it shit, because they didn't understand it.
Also, dualbooting is a valid option, a lot of linux users even have a dedicated windows machine somewhere in their house just because of how shitty everything is these days. Nobody is saying you can't do that.
I will say the solution to that IS to not play those games, but that only starts to work when enough people do that to hurt the bottom line of the devs
Honestly the best solution is to find alternatives
If the audience stays on Windows then there is no incentive to support Linux
Its not that easy. There is no alternative for some of the big games. I play genshin impact and honkai star rail and these games do not run on linux.
I use linux but keep windows dual booted purely for these games.
Asking people to give up their hobby is not a solution.
A solution doesn’t mean everyone will use it
Even if no one uses it that is still what has to happen for devs to target Linux instead of Windows
Imagine every Genshin player moved to Linux. Would the game move to Linux or just die?
I hear you, it sucks sometimes, especially with Asian-made games/software which LOVE locking themselves to one OS or platform literally for completely random, arbitrary reasons. You can still play them on mobile though. Especially given that you don't quite want to install a Linux OS on your phone yet (I mean traditional Linux, not Android or a de-Googled Android offshoot) since that's still largely a work in progress and not ready for primetime yet.
genshin works now btw
Oh thats great! Thanks for the notice :)
aren't these both like pay 2 win, or at least free to play? Isn't the whole genre of these games to make money off of it's players?
Sounds like a really healthy hobby.
If you want the characters, yeah. I have been playing since it came out and never paid a cent.
While playing you get a ton of the gems you need to get characters. I play for the story and the world and music etc. If i get a character, that's great. If i don't, i don't.
The whole game and story and world is free. Only the characters cost gems.
The only part to me that is pay to win is the abyss, but even that i got through with my free characters.
Also, it's not nice to tell me my hobby isn't healthy when you don't know me or how i play.
i mean, i just said it sounds like it. Doesn't even mean im right or wrong. We all have really unhealthy habits, and hobbies tend to accentuate them as well.
As far as I know, pretty much the only anti-cheat that doesn't work on linux is the kernel-level malware kind. I personally avoid those games at all costs regardless. That's easy for me to say though, since I barely play any competitive games...
Easy solution, stop playing those game /s
shrug.
its what I did. Its not that hard a sacrifice.
really only asian mmos that had the obnoxious no-worky-linux anticheat to begin with, in my experience with what i played.
Honestly same. The game I gave up was Planetside 2 but it works on Linux now
i mean, most of those games just aren't very good games. Drugs are pretty cool, alcohol is pretty fun, people actively avoid that shit though.
It's up to the person whether they value playing a single game more than experiencing a wholly different and more respecting operating system i suppose.
Technically they do work, but the publisher is blocking Linux.
The launchers work. The games do not. But plenty of games are going that way.
Hopefully those games go to steam deck as that seems like a way to have a market share they might then cater for (I can't play BF on Linux due to the antichear requirements)
Only BFV. BF1, BFBC2, BF3 and BF4 all still run perfectly.
Is this true for 2042? Honestly would use a Linux distro otherwise (probably Ubuntu but might look for an alternative)
2042 always used EAC, and EA refused to enable EAC for Linux.
check https://areweanticheatyet.com to see if they work, they might
Demand better from the devs. And seeks out games that work on linux. There are plenty of them.
Another option is playing not on your hardware entirely - at least where I live, there are computer clubs where you can use high-end gaming computers for a small per-hour fee.
What do you like and don't like about it so far? What system did you install it on?
For now it just works. I have no complaints. I ran into just a few tiny snags and was able to resolve everything with a google search. It's installed on my 10 year old desktop.
Welcome to the good life, with the exception of VR and (rootkit) anticheat for multiplayer, it's all smiles over here.
Hope Mint treats you as well as it's treated me! (Even though most of my tinkering breaks stuff, reinstall incoming I suspect)
I don't play anything multi-player so it's not an issue. And I have to little time to play single player games I can simply ignore stuff that's not compatible.
As far as VR, I am holding out hope that valve will make a Quest like VR headset.