this post was submitted on 01 May 2024
139 points (96.6% liked)

News

22962 readers
3487 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's almost like there's a gigantic difference between building new housing in a city that has water on 2 sides, a mountain on the 3rd, is hilly as fuck, and looks like this: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tripsavvy.com%2Fthmb%2FcDzV0BmLpYR9pvR2fM4WyJBGlfs%3D%2F2121x1414%2Ffilters%3Ano_upscale()%3Amax_bytes(150000)%3Astrip_icc()%2Fcolumbus-ave-downtown-san-francisco-aerial-538152367-58460a475f9b5851e5e8e767.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=40220336d594426b1951f443a0803c0edbae4bf26b20180063d42a59bfa3c822&ipo=images

Versus a completely flat city with open scrub-land on 4 sides that looks like this: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fphotohome.com%2Fpictures%2Ftexas-pictures%2Faustin%2Fdowntown-austin-1a.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=59082578a907c28cc53849c4638464ef282fe68eb7b754bda3287bbb07364464&ipo=images

San Francisco has a density of 18,000 people per square mile, while Austin has a density of 3,000 per sqmi. There isn't room to build new stuff, so they just convert old stuff into more expensive new stuff.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't act like there's no space in SF, I'm from there.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/housing-building-maps-17625366.php

They already found some space, but they would find a ton more if it there weren't so many single family homes or areas with density limits or building height restrictions

Tokyo was able to redevelop most of its areas to use land better, why can't SF?

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A) That link is behind a paywall. I could only read the first two paragraphs.

B) The first two paragraphs are about how hard it is to find a place to put any new housing. It talks about converting existing spaces into housing, adding new units to existing apartment buildings, etc. And even then, it caps out at 60,000 POSSIBLE units while Austin is permitting over a thousand a month, many of which are single family homes that you are complaining about.

That said, Austin has done a great job of building a ton of apartment buildings. So much so that businesses are complaining that housing prices are going down. It's easier for Austin to do that, since they have both more space overall and less space that is already developed; but it's great that they have broken the lines of NIMBY and bureaucracy to actually do it.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Yes, but out of those tens of thousands of possible houses they permit very little.

Single family homes are not an issue in Austin because they have room for them. You are totally correct in that. But the big difference is being willing to change, SF voters are actually the home owners and they like their insane property prices