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I am not ever voting for Joe Biden again.
'again' acting like an ignorant jackass like yourself had ever voted for him in the first place. If you're even an American and eligible to vote.
stfu and fuck right off.
2008, I didn’t know back then that he literally had a hand in almost all the country’s problems and several that directly impacted me or people I know.
It’s an easy problem to solve, just run a different guy.
Holy moly you did it, you solved all the problems.
you should run for the DNC board.
Deal, how do I do that?
You can’t pick who the democrats run, but you can not vote for their candidate when he’s terrible.
Yeah, that's what the primary is for.
In the general, why would I vote in any way that does not directly contribute to ensuring that Trump is not elected?
I mean, if you don’t have any moral qualms about voting for a politician like Biden you’d have to have your eyes cast farther out than trump to justify say casting ballot for PSL or even just leaving the presidential field blank.
If though you genuinely believe trump is a real imminent danger to democracy and whatever other material and immaterial things you hold dear, why are you worried about how people vote?
You saw what happened last time he was declared the loser of an election. Just this week he said he’d do it again.
No amount of voting is gonna restore people’s faith in the electoral system and you’re getting another j6 if he’s not declared the winner. If you think it’s gonna be a fizzle like in 2021 then building networks of resilience with the people around you is much more important than voting. They might not take over anything and get repelled by the capitol police, but there will be unrest and confusion and it’s more important that you have built strong relationships and preparedness with the people around you for that confusing and frightening time. Heck, you might be in a place where the electric boogaloo try to take over infrastructure and government at local or state level, then it’s even more important.
If you think it’s more than a fizzle, that we really could see a coup of the us government, what do you care how people voted? It’s not like some magic margin will convince that cohort that they were wrong and Biden is actually the guy and trump lost fair and square. The fix is in. No one’s gonna believe vote tallies. If you really think we’re staring down the barrel of a honest to goodness takeover of the federal government, don’t even waste time chastising me for not voting for genocide Joe.
You need to be counting your supplies, making sure your potable water is getting rotated, cleaning your guns and most importantly, helping your neighbors and people around you.
Now if you think that all sounds like crazy talk, and America isn’t actually on the brink of fascism, maybe you would think it better to deny the democrats your vote until they actually run a candidate you can stand on a platform you like.
There are 2 potential outcomes for the general election, and many fights to continue.
Of those 2 outcomes, which will provide the more advantageous political terrain to have those battles on?
What do you think and why?
I don’t think it matters. The terrain we fight on is determined by the material circumstances we’re under. Neither Biden or trump will change that (I actually think trump might try to but even with project 2025 there’s just too much institutional inertia to overcome).
Trump stacked the supreme court which allowed Roe v Wade to be overturned which has had disastrous consequences.
You're delusional.
Why are you pretending these are mutually exclusive?
Hell, none of what you said is mutually exclusive with voting for Biden.
We should be prepared for all eventualities. You can take a few hours out of one day counting your bullets to go cast a vote that might save democracy.
I will never vote for Biden. You dont have to either.
If you really think democracy is at risk then voting for Biden doesn’t matter. Do you think trump will accept being declared the loser? He already said he wouldn’t. Do you think the second sixth will be more successful than the first?
That's definitely a risk, and the closer the election, the more likely that is.
Regardless. If Trump wins, democracy is over. If Biden wins, it will be a fight. I'd rather a fight than a sure loss.
Every President I've ever voted for has lost in my state. So if you want me to vote for Joe Biden, that's fine. But when he loses in my state, its on your head.
No, it very literally is on the residents of your state who didn't vote for him's heads.
Get a grip lmao
voting combined with superstition......... Great!!!111
You really gonna show us.
Pst, Bidens stance on Isreal was well known before the 2020 election.
Yeah if I’d known he wasn’t just Obamas weird old man vp I wouldn’t have voted for him in 2008 either.
Please, tell me. What is Obamas stance on isreal?
It wasn’t aligned with mine, but I bought into “hope and change” lol.
So you vote based on slogans alone and I'm suppose to give a shit about your opinion?
I was a lot different sixteen years ago. It was more than the slogans too, before everything got watered down the rhetoric was what I had heard in the 90s but “we’re actually gonna do it this time”. Especially coming out of bush 2.
Not sure what you’re getting at here though.
I guess what I'm getting at is you still have some maturing to do.
I’m literally the person not voting for genocide. Sorry that’s too immature for you.
I will never vote for Biden again.
.... so genocide stops if Biden loses the election?
I don’t know. I don’t need to know.
I’m not voting for Bidens genocide.
You can too. Walk away from omelas with me.
Wow that’s crazy, so if I can’t stop the genocide with voting then why vote?
You’re really making a great case and not alienating anyone who reads this. Keep going!
Why, because some idiot, yourself, doesn't know how voting works they will then proceed to not vote?
If my vote can't give me free ice cream why even vote at all!!!
Let me make sure I understand correctly. Are you saying that opposition to genocide is comparable with wanting "free ice cream?"
So youre saying you not voting will have an effect on the genocide in gaza?
In the trolly problem, not pulling the lever results in more people dieing.
No, I didn't say that.
Well then I couldn't possibly be comparing ice cream to genocide because the supposition is the belief that voting will have an effect on receiving ice cream.
I asked if you were comparing opposition to genocide to wanting "free ice cream!" The efficacy of voting has no relevance to that question!
I was relating how individual wants aren't negotiated by voting using ice cream as an example. Also voting only in a presidential election is the bare minimum to participating in American democracy. To credit yourself with absolute moral authority you would have to exhaust yourself more than just doing the bare minimum.
Hold it!
Do you consider opposition to genocide to be an "individual want?"
Do you not?????
Otherwise if society has said it is OK then you wouldn't have a problem would you?
Of course not! And it's completely absurd to say that it is!
For any reasonable, decent person, opposition to genocide is not merely a want, but an unshakable moral foundation! Only someone truly depraved could possibly see opposition to genocide as a mere "want," akin to a passing desire to eat ice cream!
You're being purposefully obtuse.
No matter how powerfully you make the case for not voting, I’m going to cast ballot for PSL at the presidential level this year.
You can too. No ones gonna come after you for it. You’ll be voting against trump and showing the democrats that they gotta get their shit together and run better candidates with platforms that aren’t abhorrent.
I could. Wouldn't even effect the outcome in my state. Down ballot is what I show up for.
Still voting Biden because ill put my vote where it actually has a chance of mattering. Third party is a scam. Third party needs grass roots, any other supposed means is a scam.
You could be those grass roots. You said yourself it won’t change your states outcome.
Instead of voting for someone you don’t want, or against someone you don’t want, why not vote for something you do want?
Vote how ya like, but consider using the extra free time to campaign for electoral reform in your state. How we vote is controlled at the state level, so we don't need to wait for federal reform to do something about First Past The Post voting.
That way there is a little bit bigger chance a 3rd party more to your liking would be created. Nothing is for certain, but this is our one life so we gotta take the shot.
That’s never gonna happen and there already is a third party to my liking.
I will not vote for a candidate I don’t support who’s running on a platform against my interests.
Trump supporter.
I’m not going to vote for trump.
If you don't try to stop Trump, you're a collaborator.