This feels like a gross overreaction to the situation. Sure, I don't love the fact that TD has a tiny presence here, but I fail to see how that should be cause to defed a large instance. Especially when that community just popped up recently, only came to anyone's attention in the last day or so, and (to my knowledge) hasn't caused any real trouble other than the Agora mod vote thread getting a bit spicy.

I'm sure it's something we'll need to address internally, but it's just one item on that list. And for now, it seems like a low priority item.

[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, I am not happy about the community being on this instance given the 2nd rule in the list about "no bigotry", and it's kinda hard to praise Trump unequivocally and not be violating that rule...

[–] crowlemo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's hard to praise Reddit and Lemmy users for that either since they will be absolutely bigoted towards anyone they perceive not falling in line about narratives like trump, Ukraine, war in general, covid, environment, abortion, speech, gender, and more stuff I'm probably forgetting.

The scale of identity privilege allows for quite a lot of hate and bullying as long as it's in the right direction (but it's always very US centric, which is hilariously pathetic).

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The dude has a pretty damning public record of being intolerant towards women and minorities, it's not like it's hard to find this stuff. Let's not pretend like a few bad actors being in the mix suddenly make this guy a patron saint. And even if you want to ignore him directly, it's hard to ignore the type of crowd that he gathers. Birds of a shit-feather flock together.

[–] crowlemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude. Every other politician out there in the last 3 years had a good record of being intolerant to people who claimed "my body my choice" but you won't care because "it was wrongthink".

It's not hard to find repubs and dema saying heinous shit and pushing war or hate against opponents but we have to pretend Trump is somw terrific thing. The patron saint is a bullshit. Strawman.

The type of crowd that gathers around wantijgn to ban dissent is actually worse and more damaging. You can only end up as a one narrative circlejerk if you go down that path. Specially when defederation seemiike a frequent thing.

Instead of leaving it to the useer, it's as if you want to change it to "follow the list of this mainstream person/newspape'.

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Instead of leaving it to the useer, it’s as if you want to change it to "follow the list of this mainstream person/newspape’.

The instance admins are free to express themselves just as much as any other group of people. If you don't like the outcome of their decision then you're also free to go and create an instance or move instances.

If a majority of their users decide they don't like the actions the administration of that instance are taking they can always move instances to one that more closely aligns with their viewpoints. If they choose to stay then clearly they agree and are very likely part of the group you clearly don't want to be associating with.

Nobody is entitled to the service that instance admins offer, and users are free to move as they see fit. Reddit made a unilateral decision we didn't like and now we're all here, why is a Lemmy instance any different?

[–] crowlemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

If you don't like the Reddit change you're free yo go.. if you don't like this you're free to go.

Yeah. I get it. It's just so limiting. It's not sold as "the forum where God like admins get to say exactly how things go an malleate at their willing". Even forums had people do their own stuff without breaking or mass banning every 5 minutes.

Your last point on "this is no different to reddit" is amazing. Yes. It's different. Right now it's worse. Less people who contributeless and destroy the shape and userbase of the network everytime they don't fully get their way.

It's really looking worse. In subs, mods with power trips could be easily replaced. Here you need an account per instance and the subs get fractured.

I thought it was just beehaw but holy hell the entitled attitude to not have to listen to any type of dissent ever. Don't worry, you won't be exposed to too many users. You'll get your wish.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First, I'm fully against defederating any instance that isn't showing an instance wide bad actor status.

But let's be real, this isn't about a political belief.

It's about the banner of "the donald" having been used for disruptive purposes multiple times. The c/ needs to be removed because it's a "fuck you" meant to stir shit.

However, any instance that wants it, I'll be glad to create an account, create the same community, but dedicate it to a different Donald. If there's already a c/ in existence with the name, it's harder for the idea behind the subreddit to creep in. We take the name back

[–] crowlemo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How isn't it political? TD was a rare manifest of a different idea having prominence and being subsequently attacked because "how dare it exist" at which point it went full "attack back" ans it became a ridiculous battle until the admins of Reddit decided they would go back to controlling narratives because the ad money wasn't that good.

Same as trump being banned for twitter. It IS political. There's one political party in the US that is treated as "literally evil" and we are supposed to get on board and fight amongst each other instead of pointing how corrupt and entrenches the parties are and.how auperficial de battle. Is.

But hey, if we pretend the whole world things in US terms and that anyone who doesn't subscribe to identity politics and bullying with self perceived moral superiority then of course TD and similar "wrongthink" has to be banned.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

My dude. Did you stop reading after tha sentence? You must have.

Go back, finish reading what I said.

[–] roadrunner@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yes! I was thinking very similar to this. It's a big overreaction. It's a community of one person or very few. If you aren't on this instance then just don't subscribe or block it. If you are involved in this instance then figure out how to deal with it along with the mods. It seems very quick to jump to defederation of an entire instance for one person.

Sure they might shield their users from one community but they are also blocking them from access to all the quality content from here.