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I constantly see angry mobs of people decrying "woke", "critical race theory", ""grooming"", and whatever other nonsense they made up this week. They march around with guns, constantly appending lib as a prefix to any word they can use to denigrate. They actively plot violence and spew hatred in the open.

You never see the inverse. There is no ConservativesofTiktok getting churches harassed into shutting down for the day or calling in threats. You don't see cringey boomer memes on the left. And whenever I openly express those feelings, try to create that sentiment; I get shut down. Noone agrees, I'm often shamed and muted. I just don't understand why that parity exists, it's extremely isolating to feel so alone in this

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[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Because there is no mirror image.

@pjwestin@lemmy.world has given you a good description of fascist methods. They're not available to the opponents of fascism because they are not fascists.

Fascism appeals to the worst parts of our nature. It gives permission to those feeling fear, humiliation or shame to lash out in anger and destroy the people that make them feel that way.

You can't deploy the same tactics to make those people want to be on your side instead. If you try to shame them, they will just hate harder.

You should, of course, expose and ridicule the grifters who lead fascist movements and punching fascists is encouraged. But you need to distinguish between authoritarian leaders and the people they seek to lead.

You should not pander to the billionaire-funded leaderships (take note NYT), but you must not sneer at the people they are trying to lead (take note centrist Dems).

lash out in anger and destroy the people that make them feel that way

Small correction: "... destroy the people that they think make them feel that way".

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why the hell do you want them on our side? Why dont you want to destroy them? Thats exactly what Im asking about, where is the hate?

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because handing election victories to fascists is a really, really bad idea.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They'll just abandon democracy and go for force if they lose. We're past the point of law, brawn and control are what matters rn

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You think there's going to be civil war and also, you want to maximise the numbers fighting for the fascists. Cool, cool.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Why is it you think we cant recruit the same way

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"So I guess this is where I tell you what I learned - my conclusion, right? Well, my conclusion is: Hate is baggage. Life's too short to be pissed off all the time. It's just not worth it." ― American History X

"I am not altogether on anybody’s side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me: nobody cares for the woods as I care for them, not even Elves nowadays." ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Thank you, this is a very good explanation of something I failed to mention.