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[-] Arelin@lemmy.zip 108 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just as capitalist states are "authoritarian" against working class interests, socialist states are "authoritarian" against capitalist interests.

The state is a tool for one class to oppress another. The goal of (most) communists is to transition from capitalism — where the capitalist class is in power — to a stateless, classless communist society via socialism — where the working class is in power.

Public perception of which is more "authoritarian" therefore depends on which class is currently in power and is able to manufacture consent, and that is the capitalist class in the vast majority of the world right now since the USSR's overthrow.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
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[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

socialist states are “authoritarian” against capitalist interests

The problem with this claim is that the USSR was quite authoritarian towards everyone. The Gulags were a place merely of political repression. Political jokes that are part and parcel of American late night comedy shows would get people harsh labor sentences during certain periods. The claim that this had to happen to protect the working class seems thin.

[-] Ashtear@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

One regime's political-dissident-by-speech is another's dissident-by-drug-addiction. America's "War on Drugs" was purely political disenfranchisement along racial lines, and it's a major reason why the US continues to have higher incarceration rates than the USSR had in many of the years the Gulag system was operational.

By the way, prison rape jokes have long been a part of those late night comedy shows, to give you an idea of just how ingrained the American prison culture is.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

You don't know what you're talking about

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

read the resent news of Julian Assange or John Pilger there'd be a lot more if i could think to name them

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