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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Maybe it's time to admit that maybe Dark Matter doesn't exist, and we need a different hypothesis to explain the universe?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Other than the fact that it/some of it was probably detected in 2023 and all the models do mostly work. Plus the LHC proved the existence of the Higgs Boson.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This? https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a46807202/dark-matter-cosmic-web/

Is this really dark matter, or just more evidence of where the current physics modelling is incorrect?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Either way, the solution is more science.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yes. Of course.

I was just taking issue with the phrase "probably detected" and would instead say "effects were better observed".

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago

"Probably" don't cut it chief

[–] Ixsh@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Neutrinos are an unknown science that we still know so very little about. There are hypotheses that say neutrinos could be the missing dark matter, but they are fringe. Once we have a reliable way of detecting them it would unlock all sorts of secrets of the very early universe - think microwave background radiation except with neutrinos.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Dark matter must travel slowly compared to light. Neutrinos are fast.

But could neutrinos be dark energy?

[–] erin@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That seems a bit silly considering how much evidence we have for it. That's an awful lot of work to throw away for no great reason.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] erin@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not my job to educate you on what could be a brief Google search. Stop being such a cynic. The gravitational lens distortion of distant galaxies is basically impossible without dark matter. Not to parrot the mantra of conspiracy theorists and cultists, but do your own research.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The gravitational lens distortion of distant galaxies is basically impossible without dark matter.

... using our current model of the Universe.

Dark matter, and dark energy in particular, were introduced to make existing models fit the data.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And we will keep using it until we have a better model

Which we don't, for that matter

You're speaking as if scientists aren't constantly trying to create new, better models that fit the data better.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I have no problem with the scientists searching for better models.

It's the scientists talking about dark matter like it's as established as an electron whereas dark matter and energy is more like aether.

The entire evidence for dark matter (and dark energy) has been generated by matching data to models we are sure are incorrect (quantum gravity).

[–] Allero 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seriously though.

I'm no great physicist, but dark matter and dark energy sound like the ether of our times.

Hypothetical constructs to pluck the holes of misunderstanding the Universe.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago