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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

except democrats dont care either

start building a new system now.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We don't have a minimum wage in Sweden. Wages are mostly dictated by negotiations between employers and unions.

Unions are important.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

thats also the reason the ones in power hate them so much!

unions are definetly part of the solution.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. We have an ongoing thing between Tesla and IF Metall, with a bunch of other unions backing them up. Tesla refuses to sign collective labour agreements, and they're penalising strikers by taking away stocks they've earned. It's hardly surprising that Tesla doesn't want to adhere to the Swedish model.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

if they dont want to attend to the workers demands in sweden they can get fucked.

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fight for a better system but still vote democrats. Voting for the lesser evil gives you the lesser evil.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

i agree, but at the point a genocidal maniac is the lesser evil, its way past time.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That has mostly been the case in US politics since the founding. You gotta play the hand you're dealt though.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If young adults consistently and reliably voted at all, we wouldn't be in a position choosing between this and seeing what "Israel should finish the job" means.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

in my country voting is mandatory for everyone over 18, and we mostly suffer through the same problems as you when it comes to politicians. i wish it were as simple as getting more people to vote.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

you're gonna wanna skip the polls and start buying arms now if that's your plan

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Imagine my surprise when the election comes and goes, one way or another, and these online revolutionaries continue to do... nothing of substance. Just like 4 years ago, and the 4 years before that, and...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

see the university protests and unionization if you want an example in the us. we are organizing protests and actions, but doing systemic change is a collective endeavour.

we actually need much more people to recognize its broken and be willing to help. that wont happen if all you do is begrudingly accept the progressively worsening lesser evils.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

i'm all for forcibly restructuring society, but yeah... we know these people will do nothing.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Or don't skip the polls. Both sides will shoot at you, but one side will shoot much sooner because it wouldn't necessarily be political suicide for them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i cant do that by myself. the rest of the people has to recognize the system is broken too.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You also can't do it if the backslide into full totalitarian fascism reaches the "first they came for the socialists" line in the poem.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

totalitarian fascism is already there, the crackdowns on the university protests are looking a lot like it. violence towards the protesters, a pat on the head on the fascist counterprotesters.

and honestly its looking a lot like trump will win anyway, at least that is what the polls are looking like.

we should be bracing for impact.

edit: how could i forget the treatment the us gives to the third world.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

totalitarian fascism is already there

Fucking lmao

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

Don't worry - after ~~Hitler~~ Trump, their turn!