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I’ve never seen anyone who thinks neither candidate is acceptable try to argue for one over the other.
I know personally plenty of people who advocate sitting this one out and some like myself who say we ought to vote third party (psl in my case) though.
I’m really surprised the dyed in the wool true believer dems aren’t pushing for ol genocide Joe to step down at the convention.
You're exactly who I'm talking about then.
You're getting one of the two in the picture (Dem or Rep nominee). You can help mitigate damage or not. /shrug.
I'll just go ahead and post my next reply now to save us both some time:
"My vote doesn't matter because I'm in a $color state" said millions of people.
So what’s your red line? If genocide isn’t enough to get you to turn your back on the democrats at the very least unless they drop Biden from the ticket, how far is too far? How bad can it get before you decide it’s more important to support a third party you actually believe in?
Mine wasn’t even the genocide.
I’m not sure what about the logic of “we’re getting one of these two” isn’t getting through.
As soon as #2 stops being true I’ll have to reevaluate.
I will celebrate #1 being false if I ever live to see first past the post die in this country but I’m not holding my breath.
I get over what I wish would happen and deal with facts.
Okay, but like I asked, when do you turn your back on that and work toward something else? When do you say to yourself “it doesn’t matter which of these two are better by whatever metric, I won’t stand by and assent to either of them”?
Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?
Even if you took a purely utilitarian approach, at some point both major parties are so far beyond what you consider acceptable that the effect of a third party vote cast with full knowledge that party won’t win is of greater utility than some poison compromise.
many liberals do not have a cutoff point here. if Democrats were having people executed in the streets, they would argue that more people would be executed in the streets under Republicans, so leftists who don’t vote Democrat are morally bankrupt and effectively on the side of the Republicans.
oh, wait, that’s literally their argument for this election, it’s just that said streets and people happen to not be the good ol’ US of A.
Are you referring to the wholly justified war in which our allies regularly warn citizens with loudspeakers, dropped flyers, and phone calls where they’re headed next so civilians can evacuate?
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Due to this well thought out reply I have reconsidered my position /s
do you really need five paragraphs and a topic sentence to not support the IDF?
nope!
What other option?
This bullshit is exactly what I was talking about. “C’mon, let’s vote third party. I know we can’t win, but morals.”
And elect Trump? Fuck no.
I wasn’t framing a moral argument. Don’t you have a point Biden could cross after which you’d see more utility in building up a third party for next time?
What do you think will happen if trump is declared the loser?
You keep acting as if #1 above won't be true at some nebulous point in the future. Why?
The same thing(s) that happened last time, probably. Rightoids will cry false election, lots of lawsuits, etc.
I keep acting like there’s a possibility of getting someone other than Biden or trump because there is.
I made reference earlier to Biden stepping down at the convention. That’s possible, although we’d need another ‘68 to prompt it. I think that’s more likely than trump not getting the nod at the rnc, but I’m sure they’ll be some subset of weirdos there calling for their own guy instead of him.
But let’s assume there’s no chance of getting a different candidate from one of the two parties. Even then, like I said earlier, Biden was past the pale for me years ago. Im not gonna vote for trump unless his platform changes wildly, so in that case im not acting like your assertion isn’t true, im acting like it doesn’t matter.
Because to me it doesn’t.
And I keep asking you where your limit is. Because everyone has one.
So how far is too far for you? When do you look at two distinct bad choices and say “no thank you”?