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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Why is the the voters obligation to vote for shitty candidates rather than in the candidates to earn the vote? Biden is looking at a close race and the majority of voters want a cease fire.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Why is the the voters obligation to vote for shitty candidates rather than in the candidates to earn the vote?

It's our obligation as voters, as people entrusted with political power, to do what we can to steer our polity towards the least destructive and immoral path that we can.

"JOE BIBEN HASN'T EARNED MY VOTE" doesn't mean jack fucking shit. The point of a citizen's duty is not to suck off the right people - it's to protect one's fellow citizens, and ideally, members of other polities as well.

Voting isn't a fucking judgement of who's moral enough to go to democracy fucking heaven - voting is a judgement of who is least objectionable in steering the future of the polity - including considering the likelihood of success.

Sorry that using political power responsibly is such a foreign concept to you.

Biden is looking at a close race and the majority of voters want a cease fire.

The majority of voters want a cease-fire. You want to tell me what the majority of voters want the US to do to achieve a ceasefire?

Most US voters are not in favor of more stringent terms than what Biden has already proposed.

This idea that the US electorate is as left as the Fediverse is just... fucking bizarre.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (39 children)

You dont get those changes by just blindly voting against the Republicans. You have to actually pressure your candidates into supporting what you want. Companies and lobbiests are able to do this with giant sacks of cash. Normal people do it by protesting and making demands of their officials to force a response. Showing nothing but contempt for anti-war protests is always a bad look for a president running for reelection.

Biden has all the leverage on Israel to make them stop the killing. He can threaten to pull military aid, send in US forces to distribute humanitarian aid, or put sanctions on Israel. All of those would stop the killing, making people angry at the US response willing to vote for Biden, paving a path for his re-election. Why are you so against him forcing Israel to stop the genocide if it is his only path to victory?

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (11 children)

No. There is no moral responsibility to vote for someone who hasn't earned that vote. That's a construct meant to remove the politician's responsibility to their constituents. An Astroturf by the donor class to protect their influence. Stop doing their work for them. They don't care about you beyond how much money you can make them.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

The point of a citizens duty is not to suck off the right people

spends multiple paragraphs over multiple comments explaining why their entire political ideology is that its a citizens duty to suck off the right people

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Idk how we got here. Imo it’s mainly because for some reason, we no longer give agency to republicans.

If voting for a third party is immoral, then 1/3 of the US is being very immoral.

Voting used to be a private choice, hence why you go into a little booth. It was your moral obligation to vote to the best of your abilities, your choice was personal.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Donald will not do better for you on your wedge issue and he did an insurrection. You want the guy who tweeted nuclear threats to Iran to take over on this conflict? Misguided.

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