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President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine's partners "are afraid of Russia losing the war" and would like Kyiv "to win in such a way that Russia does not lose," Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

Kyiv's allies "fear" Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve "unpredictable geopolitics," according to Zelensky. "I don't think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win," he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia's large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Europe should step up and commit troops and real weapons. America will have your back, but Europe should be the next to jump in.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The minute a NATO member put boots on the ground, it's a bigger can of worms that is opened.

[–] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A NATO country can do whatever it wants with its troops, even engaging in a war overseas, without any kind of implications for the wider alliance.

The only way it would further escalate is if Putin thinks he can then attack/invade those countries in response, which may trigger the mutual defense article of NATO.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or swing the nuclear dick, make everyone nervous and make them swing their nuclear dicks as well.

The point still stand, if a NATO member engages fights in Ukraine, the outcome is not predictable and it escalates the conflict.

It's never a war in a vacuum with only two sides.

[–] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Sure. But he’s done an awful lot swinging his nuclear dick already.

But that is true. It would obviously be perceived by Russia as a massive escalation for any other country to send troops into Ukraine. I’m just making the point that just because a NATO member is involved doesn’t necessarily mean all NATO members would be involved, even if they suffered casualties.