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Someone stop the ride, I want to get off (midwest.social)
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[–] juicy 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He's not separating families at the border, but he is keeping children in open air detention camps without sanitation or adequate food and water.

Migrants who cross the border illegally wait under open skies or sometimes in tents or structures made of tree branches while short on food and water. When the number of migrants was particularly high last year, they waited for several days for Border Patrol agents to arrest and process them.

Gee said there was “significant evidence” that Customs and Border Protection, of which Border Patrol is a part, has physical control over minors at the outdoor locations. For example, CBP vehicles occasionally transport or drop off migrants to the camps and for a time, gave out wristbands to organize migrants by when they had arrived.

“This is a tremendous victory for children at open air detention sites, but it remains a tragedy that a court had to direct the government to do what basic human decency and the law clearly require,” Neha Desai, senior director of immigration at the National Center for Youth Law, said in a statement. “We expect CBP to comply with the court’s order swiftly, and we remain committed to holding CBP accountable for meeting the most rudimentary needs of children in their legal custody, including food, shelter, and basic medical care.”

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Congress writes the statutes on how people are detained.

[–] juicy 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Show me the statute stating that asylum seekers need to be kept in open air detention with inadequate food, water, and hygiene.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11343

Cites to the statutes for detention on who and how long, as well as the 2018 Supreme Court decision I referred to, authorizing indefinite detention.

The horrid conditions are factors of other statutes related to budgets and sovereign immunity. I'm sure I can point you to some of the civil lawsuits about conditions so you can trace back the Republican policy of cruelty as it permeated immigration law.

[–] juicy 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'm sure you know the law better than the judge who ordered them to improve conditions.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

And it's because of sovereign immunity that had to to happen. That's statutory law.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's a massive number of people coming in, a big increase, and the Republicans have been blocking increases in funding for the US law enforcement agencies that deal with them (which, the left gives him grief for because increasing funding for ICE means he's a monster), and increases in the number of judges so there's not this huge backlog. So yes, there's a huge number of people and not enough US resources to properly care for them.

I.e. migrants are being left in limbo in inhumane conditions for long lengths of time. However, Biden's attempted several times to solve that and been specifically prevented. It's hard for me to see that as something which he is deliberately doing on purpose.

I addressed the thing that you said, which was perfectly fair although I feel there's a reasonable reason for that situation which isn't Biden's fault. The thing the other person said to me wasn't that, though; it was specifically that Biden had made family separation worse, which is absurd.

[–] juicy 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So yes, there's a huge number of people and not enough US resources to properly care for them.

And yet I'm sure they'll find the money to get it done now that a judge has ordered them to. It's almost like Biden is actually hostile to asylum seekers.

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats plan to force a vote Thursday on the bipartisan border security package that Republicans blocked this year, an attempt to flip the script on immigration politics, a major vulnerability for President Joe Biden.

The legislation, negotiated by Republican and Democratic senators, is designed to reduce border crossings, raise the bar for migrants to qualify for asylum and quickly turn away those who fail to meet it. It empowers the president to shut down the border if certain triggers are met. If it becomes law, it would be the most sweeping set of migration restrictions in decades. Biden has endorsed the bill.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

Now do asylum policy according to Congress and the Republican Supreme Court.....

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't get it man.

The Republicans are calling for more and more cruelty (e.g. raising the bar for aslyum). Biden is trying to alleviate the exact conditions you're describing, in addition to compromising with them some of the cruelty you're asking for, and you're giving him shit for it.

What in your world should he do? Magic a bill into existence that will fix the conditions you're talking about, without getting it through congress or needing the support of the Republicans?

Why are you saying that weakening his position against the Republicans until things get better is the way for you to solve that problem? Are you happy with the babies waiting outside in the hot sun for months and months until your plan bears fruit, should he withdraw the current bill and go back to the drawing board and them just wait outside until your plan comes through?

[–] juicy 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why is Biden always infantilized by his apologists? As if he was completely impotent. He is the president of the United States. In our system, that gives him extraordinary power. He can go to all out war with any country on Earth for 60 days before getting any kind of permission from Congress. If the presidency is such a weak office, why are you so worked up about the prospect of Trump being president? Apparently he'll need permission from Congress before he adjusts his tie.

Biden does not need an act of congress to not treat asylum-seekers like shit. That is a deliberate choice of his administration. Just like it was a deliberate choice to split up arms shipments to Israel into 100 seperate lots so he didn't have to report them to Congress.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 6 months ago

Biden does not need an act of congress to not treat asylum-seekers like shit

In this case, he actually does.

Just like it was a deliberate choice to split up arms shipments to Israel into 100 seperate lots so he didn't have to report them to Congress.

Yeah, that one was some bullshit, 100% accurate.