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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Is this a dig at gen alpha/z?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I guess it would have to be be default, since only older millennials and up can remember a time before internet.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

not everyone is a westerner you know

my village didn't get any kind of internet, even dialup until like 2009, i remember pre-internet and i still don't have mortgage

e: now that i'm thinking ADSL was a thing for maybe a year or two, but it was expensive and never really caught on. the first real internet experience™ was delivered by a sketchy point to point radiolink that dropped every time it rained. much later it was all replaced by FTTH paid for by EU money

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

heh yeah

I had a pretty weird arc. I got to experience internet really early (‘93~94), and it took until ‘99+ for me to have my first “regular” access (was 56k on airtime-equiv landline). it took until ‘06 before I finally had a reliable recurrent connection

I remember seeing mentions (and downloads for) eggdrops years before I had any idea of what they were for/could do

(and here I am building ISPs and shit….)

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Lies. Internet at first was just some mystical place accessed by expensive service. So even if it already existed it wasn’t full of twitter fake news etc as we know it. At most you had a peer to peer chat service and some weird class forum made by that one class nerd up until like 2006

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

never been to the usenet, i see.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I wasn’t a nerd back then frankly. I mean it wasn’t good look for surviving the school. The only one was bullied like fuck

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ah. well, my commiserations, the us seems to thrive on pitting people against each other.

anyways, my point is that usenet had every type of crank you can see these days on twitter. this is not new.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well probably but what’s the point if some extremely small minority used it?

The point with iPad kids is that it is so common. The kids played outside and stuff well into 2000s.

Still I guess iPads are better than dxm tabs but as the old wisdom says: why not both?

[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@Emmie “it wasn’t full of twitter fake news etc as we know it”

Maybe you should say what your point is.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I thought I did, the fuck ya want from me

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 5 months ago

"this only matters now because I only became aware of it today" is not, y'know, a very compelling argument

for, well, anything

[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don’t even remember what it was about now tbh, must not been super important

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 5 months ago

reading your post gave me multiple kinds of whiplash

are you, like, aware of the fact that there can be different ways experiences? for other people? that didn’t match whatever you went through?

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago

Haha. Not specifically.

It's more a comment on how hard it is to separate truth from fiction. Adding glue to pizza is obviously dumb to any normal human. Sometimes the obviously dumb answer is actually the correct one though. Semmelweis's contemporaries lambasted him for his stupid and obviously nonsensical claims about doctors contaminating pregnant women with "cadaveric particles" after performing autopsies.

Those were experts in the field and they were unable to guess the correctness of the claim. Why would we expect normal people or AIs to do better?

There may be a time when we can reasonably have such an expectation. I don't think it will happen before we can give AIs training that's as good as, or better, than what we give the most educated humans. Reading all of Reddit, doesn't even come close to that.