You keep bringing up that zoos cause harm. This seems to be a deal-breaker for you. It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. In my view, it's acceptable to cause a small amount of harm, if you get significantly greater good from doing so. Of course the details matter, and I don't believe either of us would argue our position in every scenario, but in this case I find the manageable harm caused by zoos to be worth the increased interest in wildlife conservation.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after.

It seems to me that we have different goals.

manageable harm

Obdurate.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you?

[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem.