this post was submitted on 11 Aug 2023
599 points (96.6% liked)

Privacy

31978 readers
236 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

Chat rooms

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Note: This post now archived and as such no longer works

An external image showing your user-agent and the total "hit count"

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] targetx@programming.dev 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice example!

I think proxying everything through lemmy would have a pretty big bandwidth/scalability impact. I expect the lemmy clients dont send any unique user info on these image requests so not sure how useful it would be as a spy pixel? Maybe I'm missing something :-)

[–] goddard_guryon@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It would be interesting to see just how much info is shared when lemmy requests the image. If there is [potentially] sensitive info being shared, the devs might be interested in working on it too (I have no idea how to check such a thing, this comment is just so I can find the post later when more people have shared their wisdom on it)

[–] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

None (by Lemmy), as Lemmy doesn't actually request the image (that would be proxying). Your browser requests the image directly by URL. Lemmy, technically, doesn't even know an image exists. It just provides the HTML and lets your browser do the work.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Exactly. The text of this post is simply :

![An external image showing your user-agent and the total "hit count"](https://trilinder.pythonanywhere.com/image.jpg)
I get the same result when I browse directly to the link.

So, if OP links a malcious website we have a problem ... (?).

[–] goddard_guryon@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh dangit, it's simpler than I thought. So the only data being sent is...just whatever is sent in your average GET request.

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Yes. It's also a pretty standard way of serving images. A lot of Email clients do that too.

That's also how these services that show you when a email is read work.

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really that huge of a problem. When making requests you also usually send a header which includes the user agent.

The program just logs how many times the image has been requested and it reads the user agent data. No Javascript is actually executed.

Well it might be possible to have a XSS somehow but I haven't really done much research into this possibility.

In general it's a pretty standard way of handling embedded images. Email does this too. That's how you have these services that can check if someone read a mail

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup. And to add, your browser will send things like:

  1. Your IP address. Technically this is sent by the OS doing networking and is unavoidable. At best, a VPN can hide this, because the VPN sits in the middle.

  2. Various basic request headers, which most notably contains user agent (identifies browser) and language headers, both which you can fake if you want to.

  3. Cookies for that domain (if you have any). Those can track you across multiple requests and thus build up a profile of you.

[–] odbol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's why you should use a native app, which won't send any of that identifying info (except for IP but there's nothing you can do on that)