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real progressivism = against hate of all kinds
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I think most people can separate Jewish people from genocide from the country of Israel.
The only people confusing the issue want to make it an issue. Quashing pro-Palestine protests claiming they’re anti-Semitic when they’re not. Questioning the country of Israel’s actions is anti-Semitic when it’s not.
This is key.
There are people who are anti-Semitic, and there are people who are islamophobic, and those people all view the opposition as sub-human. They will don't want peace because they want to win.
And then there are the people who benefit from the conflict, and will stoke the fires on both sides. They don't care who wins, who dies, who suffers, because while there is violence and death, they can benefit themselves.
Any progressive engaged in a discussion needs to recognize whether they are talking to a zealot or a profiteer. The former might be reasoned with. Supporters of Israel or Hamas might be shown the error in their thought process.
I feel like you are overestimating most people
Attacking Jewish people, vandalizing stores because they owners are Jewish. And calling to eradicate Israel from existence are antisemitic
The majority of hate crimes near me target Jewish people. I don’t believe that shooting at the Jewish school the other day was hate motivated because it happened in the middle of the night, I think someone just missed and hit the school. So if numbers include that then it’s obviously misleading
Pretending people calling it out are only the people in your 2nd paragraph would put you in the “fake progressive” group from the OP
You’re conflating hate crimes with the political stances people are taking in reference to Israel’s actions in Gaza.
We are not talking about the same thing.
Well, what political stances do you think the people committing the hate crimes have? You're right to point out that most of the people protesting Israel's actions are not violent or necessarily antisemitic. But the post your responding to is highlighting that it IS happening. Antisemitism existed before this and it'd be foolish to act like those people wouldn't be the first people to jump on an anti-Israel political movement. So if you're interested in keeping the heart of this political movement untainted by antisemitism, then you'd do well to acknowledge its presence.
You are being dismissive of people who are against antisemitism because “they couldn’t possibly be talking about actual antisemitism”
That seems to just be digging a deeper hole for yourself
No, he's saying that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic. In fact, I would argue that Israel's actions and attitude are probably the main driving cause of anti-Semitism currently. They are the ones who insist that they represent all Jewish people.
So you’re saying their comments are entirely irrelevant to the conversation and come from a point of ignorance rather than an attempt to distract and discredit
I initially thought that as well, that’s why I corrected it until they decided to double down on the take