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FediPact is an Organized Effort to Block Meta's ActivityPub Platform (wedistribute.org)

submitted 1 year ago by hedge@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

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[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Am I living in a different planet from the rest of the commenters here? We have much more to gain from this than they do.

[-] Trones@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago

Look up what happened to XMPP (Jabber) when Google "integrated" with them.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[-] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 14 points 1 year ago

Basically the sequence of events as claimed by the author is that:

XMPP small niche, small circles
Google launches Talk that was XMPP compatible
Millions joined Talk that could coop XMPP in theory
The coop worked only sparingly and was unidirectional, i.e. Talk to XMPP ✅ but XMPP to Talk ❌
Talk sucked up existing XMPP users as it was obviously a better option (bandwagon effect + unidirectional "compatibility" with XMPP)
Talk defederated

This demonstrated exactly the importance of reciprocity. If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature. Also frankly it is Meta that has more to lose than the fediverse at this moment as the bulk of users and thus the content are with Meta.

[-] Spzi@lemmy.click 11 points 1 year ago

If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature.

These actors play nice until they are too big to ignore. If you let them gain that much ground, it's too late to isolate them without doing even more harm to your own network.

Also Meta is not a startup with unknown reputation. Meta plays dirty, that's a given.

[-] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 2 points 1 year ago

They are already big. They have the users. They have the content. That is why they stay afloat with their ad business. That makes them valuable. It does not hurt if they are really sharing the treasure trove with us (which does not appear to be case after all if Verge is right). Rather laughably, you can say they have hurt us enough they can hurt us no more.

[-] Spzi@lemmy.click 10 points 1 year ago

Sorry for being unclear. What I meant is:

These actors play nice until they are too big to ignore [as a presence in the fediverse].

When they run the most and the biggest popular communities on their instances, do most of the development, offer the best tools and services in the fediverse, they have become too big to ignore.

If they then start playing dirty, it is too late to defederate them. They will play dirty. Let's not make ourselves dependent.