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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

society can grow and lead to the most benefit for the majority of people

It's a bit more complicated in real life. Who decides who gets freedom, some religious fundamentalists or rich oligarchs? Also, does that mean we should allow human sacrifices in the name of reproduction?

[–] notaviking@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah it is a hard question, like can be argued that there are too many people for the society and they need to be purged. Yeah I do not have a good answer but I think my point is rather that freedom isn't freedom, just agreed confines in society that is ever evolving, that in my opinion should be based in reason, and it is society's duty to use the correct reasoning.

Like you mention allowing human sacrifices in the name of reproduction. The question is a bit loaded but reasoning can be used, what is human sacrifices? We do allow the death of certain individuals in certain societies, soldiers in war, criminals in execution, children that do not have access to resources like, shelter, food or medication. Can smoking and drinking be seen as a violation of life, since it slowly takes it away, what about unhealthy food or even drugs, does any vices like gambling or sex seen could be threatening to the quality of life. You see how life actually is valuable to a certain degree in society but then there is also a freedom to throw it away. There are reproductive rights, should everyone have a right to have children? What if this person is 7 years old? What if this person already had all their children taken away due to incest and molestation on multiple occasions. Can you abort whenever like at 8 months or 1 week or is it when two gametes form an embryo. What if it is a non-viable embryo, what if this embryo implanted itself in a place outside of a womb and abortion in this instance will save the mothers reproductive organs to have future successful pregnancies.

There are very few things that are black and white in this life, very very few, so I believe there should be an ongoing discussion and that laws should follow reason and compassion for the vulnerable, that laws must constantly change, especially the laws, decrees, holy texts that invested people say should never change no matter the reason