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I get that CPUSA has some bad reputation. This clip is a part of a call-in show. It features 4-5 calls from American hogs and the CPUSA guy responds to their questions. I think that this interview was interesting at least. I will post more information in a comment.

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[–] dead@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Russia needs to stop? How about we need to stop fueling proxy wars? Why does he phrase it like this?

In the next sentence after he says Ukraine, he says that NATO needs to stop expanding. So it would seem to me that he is placing blame on NATO.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Placing the blame on NATO? Who funds it? Who runs it? Who is supplying weapons? Who has been sending politicians to the fascists over there for decades propping them up? Who instigated and orchestrated the Maiden Coup? Who has been pushing NATO expansion?

Blaming NATO kind of muddies our oversized involvement. It didn't pop off until Biden was president and Biden directly has a corruptive and oversized personal role with the shitfuckery over there with Hunter.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you not know what code switching is? Do you not realize that people change their language when communicating with certain people to seem more appealing?

I don't really care about this guy. I don't really think much about CPUSA but I'm smart enough to realize that this guy was speaking in a way that was meant to appeal to the average American. In my opinion, he was a bit too kind when he spoke about American progressives and yeah, I'll admit that he did sound a little "both sides"-ish.

Why didn't he go on tv and say "Death to the United SSnaKKKeSS of AmeriKKKa"? Probably because he was trying to convince normal working class people to join his political party and not appeal to some weirdos on the internet that speak in esoteric emojis which reference twitter memes and podcasts.

The fact that he was willing to go on American TV and say that NATO expansion influenced the Ukraine conflict is more than pretty much any American Politician would do.

The way that you communicate in this thread is weird and smug and only other weirdos on hexbear and twitter understand what you are saying. Try reading your comments that you posted in this thread to a normal person in real life, judge their reaction. You have to communicate to people in ways that they understand.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm just tired of maybe-later-honey bullshit that I've witnessed for too long. It took an uppity transgender that I thought was a bit much to ask "why". Then I investigated and then it clicked. It's a perspective thing.

Soft language is what gets people to dismiss things as "oh well" and the shit continues. It's like can kicking. Not the right place. Not the right time.

All this soft coddling is what makes them "safe for empire" and why they are able to go on American television in the first place. I saw this as a sicko-yes opportunity to lay into the crimes of the empire. You can do it very matter-of-factly as well.

I'm a bit harsh and I can come off real cold and uncaring sometimes. These comments are not directed to the users personally, but Joe Sims and the CPUSA. I know you all are members and comrades. I just wish the leaders were more actual revolutionaries than these defeated old ....lumps. it's ok to bite at the Democrats. They aren't our friends.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do you not know what code switching is?

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.

You only muddy the name of communism by being a weasel two-faced reformist who speaks out of both sides of their mouth. Have principles

[–] dead@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Saying that you oppose NATO expansion is not a betrayal of communist principles. It is not concealing your views or aims by speaking in simpler terms so that normal people understand you. You don't have to smug and esoteric to express a communist view point.

The very book that you quoted in your post is a simplification of Marx's other writings. The communist manifesto is an introduction to communism for the masses. Would you go on TV and start with talking about coats and yards of linen? You would only talk about the coats and yards of linen who already have an some understanding of Marxism.

I'm not affiliated with CPUSA. I think it is fine to have criticisms of CPUSA. I didn't reply to other people in the thread who criticized CPUSA. I even posted in the main post that I have heard CPUSA has a bad reputation.

What I don't like is people who take things out of context, exaggerate, or otherwise lie to mislead people. I did not get the impression from the video that the CPUSA guy was blaming Russia for the Ukraine War.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Keep defending a Zionist pro-DNC tailist organization.