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CW: New York Times report finds israel systematically rapes Palestinians, sometimes to death. (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Linkerbaan@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

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[–] jorp@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Source for the razor wire claim? Seems like obvious war time propaganda to me and I can't find anything online.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can listen to the intercepted phone call where an alleged Russian soldier describes the methods to his mother for yourself:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/10/russian-torturers-phone-call-with-mum-reveals-russian-torture-methods-16618041/

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Over the top descriptions of torture between an alleged soldier and his mother that seem almost scripted, published by the Ukraine military. I'm going to call this a maybe at best.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So when accounts of torture fit with the narrative you like, they are credible, but when they don't fit with the narrative you like, they are not?

Was the video of castration by Russian military of a detainee also just faked propaganda?

Was the UN report that Russian forces tortured prisoners to death also fake?

It's not exactly like this phone call goes against a pattern of behavior for Russian forces.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In time of war you'd do best to question news when it's reported only by one of the sides and not by an independent source. Maybe it's true, but militaries don't value truth during war.

I wouldn't trust the Russian military either

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

“Almost every single one of the Ukrainian POWs we interviewed described how Russian servicepersons or officials tortured them during their captivity, using repeated beatings, electric shocks, threats of execution, prolonged stress positions and mock execution. Over half of them were subjected to sexual violence,” said Danielle Bell, the head of HRMMU.

UN article

And these are the accounts from the prisoners that were released.

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not denying Russian atrocities full stop I'm just wary of these kinds of very specific and evocative claims. It's "beheaded babies" level for me.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well hopefully if you trust the UN about Israel you'll also trust it the same way about Russia

[–] jorp@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lol I don't need the UN to tell me about Israel. At least Russia has had reasonable moments in its history

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not an Israeli but according to some of our neighbors, we (Russia) haven't had any reasonable moments either, at least not lasting more than a few months. Pic related

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

using repeated beatings, electric shocks, threats of execution, prolonged stress positions and mock execution. Over half of them were subjected to sexual violence,”

Sooo... basically just how the Russian military treats it's conscripts in general.