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They lost that case. It went all the way to the US Supreme Court and set a binding precedent that an API re-implementation falls under the Fair Use doctrine. Maybe Oracle could try some excuse to say that OpenJDK is different enough from what Android did for that precedent to apply, but it would be a major uphill battle, and they know it.
It was expensive for Google and fighting them would destroy most companies. It's cheaper to avoid the ecosystem entirely.
It was expensive for Google, but they've done the hard work of establishing the precedent. It's much easier to fight when you have a strong binding precedent on your side.
I don't have to fight if I just use something else. There is very little advantage to using Java when everything from .NET to Node to Ruby to Python are all super mature and have a similar amount of open source packages available. There might still be a question of performance and for that we have Go, Rust and elixir- not quite as mature but all still can do everything I need and then some.
As an added bonus, none of those frameworks have Larry Ellison lurking around the corner waiting to sue me if he decides to change the terms of license. Java is dead to me.
.NET... You trust Microsoft over Oracle. Ridiculous.
When have they ever sued someone for using .NET?
They could though! Microsoft has a long history of "embrace, extend, extinguish"!
You may be willing to put your company at risk because you trust Microsoft but I'm not going to.
Feel free to do you, I have told you this already. Seeing you're unable to drop the conversation, when did Microsoft ever sue someone for using C#? I trust Microsoft far more than Oracle (reasons detailed in another comment). However, I do not run Microsoft software at my company at this time, other things work better for what I need.
When has Oracle sued somebody for using OpenJDK?
Give them a few years to change the rules. If their prior love of lawsuits is any indication they will do so soon.
Same with Microsoft. The company harvesting personal information to feed to an AI.
Do you see?? Do you see yet that you're just now blindly defending a company that has been so anti-open source in its past? A company that has been found guilty of abusing a monopoly? Yet you're defending them over another company that has also done terrible things??
You're approach is so laughably black & white with no nuance that you can't even see that I'm mocking it by attacking Microsoft with your same terrible logic.
No, these are different situations. One openly sued the user's of their language, the other did not.
You don't even understand what they sued over. 🤣
C# is a better language anyway.
I expect the future is in Rust and C#.
Oh I agree. I love C#. My uni taught most of its classes in Java, but my work has been mostly C#, and it's a huge step up. It would be my choice 100% of the time if starting a new project where the decision is between those two. But if I were using Java via OpenJDK, I wouldn't be afraid of a lawsuit; that's the only point I wanted to make.