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The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) reported on Saturday that over 50,000 children in the Gaza Strip are in urgent need of treatment for acute malnutrition, Anadolu Agency reports.

In a statement, the agency said that “with continued restrictions to humanitarian access, people in Gaza continue to face desperate levels of hunger.”

“Over 50,000 children require treatment for acute malnutrition,” it added.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hamas are the ruling party of Gaza, a region occupied by Israelis and not permitted elections for over a decade. By international law, they have every right to resist occupation by all necessary means. I have plenty of criticisms of Hamas, but they are not the primary oppressor in Gaza. That is, obviously, reserved for the occupiers that prevent Palestinians from having food and clean water. From having the right of return. For being permanent refugees.

If Palestine falls, the people who supported their disposession will hold land acknowledgements for them. They refuse to oppose actual genocidal and apartheid regimes. They will only feel guilty after the systems they support have finished the deed. This is the outcome produced by comlicity in oppression and disposession.

You will feel better if you reject these horrors.

[–] Censored@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government. The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can't agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war. In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.

The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.

International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or "all necessary means." That's another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply. But Hamas does not follow the laws of war... They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.

You'd feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the "complicity" of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn't buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.

I'm not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government.

An absurd falsehood. Fatah refused to form a government with Hamas, but the idea that Hamas simply killed them I'd an absurd invention. A child's fantasy.

The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can't agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war.

As an occupied people this onus actually falls on the occupier, believe it or not.

In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.

Congratulations on having a wrong opinion.

The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.

Israel is an occupying power and culpable for all that occurs under their occupation. They are an illegitimate and racist government that has always dramatically meddled in these elections. Or are you unaware of what happened in East Jerusalem in 2006? Your narrative conventiently ommits any mention of this.

International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or "all necessary means." That's another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply.

'UNGA Resolution 37/43 (1982) reaffirmed the “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people “and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination” to self-determination. It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of “the struggle of peoples for […] liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.”'

It is not difficult to find and establish the right for the Palestinian people to fofhyan armed struggle against all occupiers. This has been affirmed and reaffirmed many times. I mention this under the presumption that you or others care about "the rules" this being foundational to pretenses of legitimacy.

Palestine was not a signatory to the Geneva convention, this is a ahistorical nonsense. The PLO unilaterally declared it in 2014, that's a decade ago. When the Geneva Convention was drafted, Palestine was "legally" under British control and was not in a position to have such sovereignty.

I am amused by your little attempts at jabs, though. They are revealing.

But Hamas does not follow the laws of war... They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.

No more than any other group.

You'd feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians.

Hamas is not responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. That falls on the greater occupying powers that forced displacement, disposession , and mass murder upon them, which is of course Western powers and their Zonist compatriots. You are carrying water for them by promulgating these falsehoods.

I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the "complicity" of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn't buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.

I am focused on the parties directly responsible. Only you are under the delusion that a militarized resistance to occupation is somehow responsible for the apartheid regime imposed by another power, the indiscriminate civilian bombing campaigns carried out by that power, the full blockade of Gaza by that power, the storming of refugee camps by that power. It is a twisted and dishonest rationalization that blames the resistance to oppressio for the oppression itself, absolving the holders of the guns, the missiles, the planes, the invading forces, the village burners.

I'm not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.

I hadn't asked you to feel guilty. But it seems you have an inkling that you support genocide and need a way to absolve yourself. You won't find that absolution from myself. Perhaps you will find it in a truck marked for aid for Palestinian refugees that is actually full of IOF soldiers ready to help kill 200 refugees in exchange for 4 Israelis. Perhaps you will find absolution in the propaganda campaigns to demonize some of those 4 Israelis who say their experience during capture amounted to having to clean and cook and receive birthday cakes. How dare they humanize Palestinians. Somewhere in that mess of thought, you might find the train of thought that resolves the inconsistencies you are clearly concerned about, though making the wrong choice at every turn.

Personally, I have not focused on your absolution. That is something you have raised. I hope that you find it honestly and with a prioritization of humanity and truth, which stands in contrast to the lazy read or propaganda you have offered.

[–] Censored@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this, other than to tell you that Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (then leader of Hamas) formed a Palestinian Unity Government with Fatah on March 17, 2007. It lasted until Hamas took control of Gaza via violence beginning on June 14, 2007, whereupon PA President Abbas fired the Hamas PM and the Hamas-led government, and appointed Salam Fayyad as the new PM. This was not recognized in Gaza, where Hamas continued to rule through violence after killing or ejecting all the Fatah government officials from Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4

I could go point by point debunking a number of your claims and exaggerations, but there's clearly no point in wasting any more time conversing with you.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

killing or ejecting

So you have more accurately revised your claim. I'm glad that I could help you reach a better understanding.

I could go point by point debunking a number of your claims and exaggerations, but there's clearly no point in wasting any more time conversing with you.

Okay bye then.