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Israeli Politician Quotes Hitler to Argue for Resettlement of Gaza
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Here's a reminder that the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.
Source?
You might try reading a bit about the Revisionist Zionist movment. Particularly the IZL (Irgun) and the Lehi (Stern Group). There are tons of great books on this. I'd recommend The Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir by Lenni Brenner
Yeah, sounds like a great recommendation.
It is a great recommendation you should definitely check it out.
Lehi's members obtained key roles in israeli politics later on, such as one of their leaders Yitzhak Shamir which became prime minister of israel.
The claim was "the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis". The "source" is describing
Of course the right wing was opposed by other Zionists. They were radical fascists. That's why I said right wing (the minority) and not all of them. The problem is the right wing is now the majority. Revisionist Zionists control Israel today. They did far more than try to get agreements and it was for way more than for Jews to leave Nazi territory. Stern was hoping to get Nazi backing to attack the British in Palestine and to help prop up the fascist ethno-state that would be established.
I'm not familiar with the factions in Zionism, but according to Wikipedia they were opposed by other revisionist Zionists, e.g. Ze'ev Jabotinsky. Also: still no sources
I did give you a source, you just didn't respond to that comment for some reason.
Also I'm not sure why you think what you're saying is inconsistent with what I said. The revisionist zionists worked with the Nazis and fascists in Italy. Then after the war started a splinter group continued to work with a Nazis, although there is evidence to say that the other group was also still working with the Nazis. Since you already read Wikipedia you must have seen that part.
Since you were unfamiliar with the factions of Zionism I suggest you learn about them and that would make you better able to have these discussions. Though keep in mind they're all friendly with fascists left and right. Because Zionism is inherently a fascist principle.
You mean this source?
Opposed? Lehi's members became big politicians in what would later become israel.
I have slightly edited my previous comment to include a bit more detail but here's israeli Prime minister and leader of what used to be Lehi Yitzhak Shamir
There's much more. What's important to know is that Lehi while not the biggest organisation they were extremely violent. At the time they had massive impact on the direction of israel. Their radical Zionism played a big part in shaping israel and their "the end justifies the means" approach can clearly be observed to this day.
Bonus meme: Lehi also ran the newspaper Hamaas
Yes, opposed: "These appeals to Germany were in direct opposition to the views of other Zionists, such as Ze'ev Jabotinsky, who wanted Britain to defeat the Nazis even as they wanted to expel the British from Palestine." Source
No, for the question of "the right wing Zionists working with the Nazis" it is not important. You can be extremely violent without working with Nazis..
This may well be, but is also not the same as working with Nazis.
Also no relevance for the question of working with Nazis.
I like the part where you fully ignored a Lehi leader becoming the Prime Minister of israel
Mentioned on page 94 (Chapter 4) of 10 Myths About Israel by Ilan Pappé. To be straight forward with you I couldn’t find the primary source of this statement in there but I think it’s in one of his previous books which are all referenced as sources for this chapter. In general, Pappé is considered credible by the academic community except by Zionists of course, though their opinion on this topic doesn’t count for much imo.
Internet archive is apparently somewhat of with the pages, page 94 seems to be in a different chapter there.
Scanning chapter 4 however, the only mention of collaboration with the Nazis is "[Hajj Amin al-Husayni]'s willingness to serve as a radio commentator for the Nazis and to help recruit Muslims in the Balkans to the German war effort no doubt stains his career. But he did not act any differently from the Zionist leaders in the 1930s, who themselves sought an alliance with the Nazis against the British Empire, or from all the other anticolonialist movements who wanted rid of the Empire by way of alliances with its principal enemies." (page 65 on the archive)
This seems like a rather unspecific source for "right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts." (not to mention that njm1314 somehow forgot to mention that at least Palestinian leader also wanted an alliance with the Nazis and actually worked for/with them).
I'm starting to think that njm1314 is not as well known fact as they make it out to be...
Sorry, I have the ebook and in there it’s page 94. Here are the references, as said no primary source but he’s referring to his previous books and it may just be trivial to reference at this point. But I’m not from the field and haven’t read every book of him. In general though as I said he is considered credible by the academic community except Zionists.
The relationship of the Palestinian Mufti is also discussed in more detail in the same chapter. Highly recommend reading the whole book.
If you’re really keen on verifying this maybe just write a mail to Pappé? In my experience professors actually do answer to such questions.