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US Government Criticizes Vietnam’s Decision to Host Russia’s Putin
(thediplomat.com)
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as opposed to everybody elses putin
Québec's poutine is pretty good
Well yeah. Do you know another Putin who's visiting Vietnam? I don't
Could be GOP's Putin. In this case they also happen to be the same person.
looks like americans are still delusional enough to believe in the russiagate conspiracy theory...
Current Russia and GOP are both authoritarians. Of course they would want to co-operate.
Yo, define authoritarian in a way that doesn't include western bourgeois democracies or find a different word
The whole "authoritarian" nonsense has its roots in holocaust trivialization attempts in countries that collaborated with the nazis.
How exactly am I trying to excuse or deny the Holocaust? Are you suggesting that Russia and Israel bullying their smaller neighbor is not authoritarian? Are you suggesting Russia does not treat Central Asian nations the way the US treats those in Latin America? Bullying those around you is wrong no matter what party you are.
I would look to historians like Dovid Katz and search for "double genocide theory", I would not like to make this an argument.
Please change your language when posting in the comm. "Authoritarian" and "totalitarian" are not useful descriptors and are historically connected to trying to equate the USSR and nazi Germany in order to do holocaust trivialization.
So what descriptors are useful?
What are you trying to describe?
I think its clear that I am saying that Russia is an oppressive country with goals of being an empire. I am saying that it is wrong for them to do so, and more generally wrong for anyone to do so. Hence me calling them authoritarian and comparing them to the GOP.
Okay, well say those things instead then.
I did all along. That is where my use of the word authoritarian is coming from.
Okay, but do you see what I am trying to communicate?
Use different language that isnt connected to a holocaust trivialization attempt.
So what form of authoritarian is Russia so that i can use the word for them?
I feel like you're trying to argue when I'm trying very clearly to communicate,
"Your comments will be moderated if you keep using the word authoritarian"
So is it wrong to say that the US is authoritarian? Would that be trivializing the holocaust?
All governments are authoritarian. Read Engels https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
"authoritarianism", is an absolutely useless term invented by liberals. is the us-sponsored genocide in palestine not "authoritarian"?
Your yummy democratic genocide vs. my disgusting authoritarian "cultural genocide"
Fuck yeah it is, what kind of question is that?
then why dont you claim that the biden admin is pro russian? lmao
I am not sure what you are on about. I am anti authoritarian. I have no issue calling it out when the US does it. Rather than you who seem more interested in picking the Russian Empire's flavor.
You said "Russia is authoritarian like the Republicans", you then said "I agree the Democrats' prosecution of the genocide in Palestine is authoritarian" but you fail to see that this means "Russia is authoritarian like the Democrats".
You seem to think that authoritarianism is somehow a special case of governance, that there are authoritarian states and leaders and non-authoritarian states and leaders. However, the analysis by historians shows us that this is not true. Literally every piece of evidence you can provide to apply the term "authoritarian" to one state can be applied to all states throughout history. Same goes for state leaders.
Russia is no more or less authoritarian than the USA, UK, France, Spain, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, China, Japan, Korea, US Korea, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Haiti, South Africa, Nigeria, Niger, Kenya, Turkey, Greece, India, Georgia, etc etc etc.
It's a useless term that conveys only your lack of understanding and propagandized world view. It does not convey any information about the actual world, only about the paucity of your awareness and critical thinking.
oh, youre of that sort, understood. in that case i just wonder why you associate putin with the republicans in particular.
also, current day russia is not an empire, as its capitalist economy hasnt yet reached the stage that makes imperialism possible and necessary. the current russian state, while right wing, is currently worthy of critical support due to being a beacon of resistance against the neocolonial west which is the main enemy of human development. please read vladimir lenins imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism and kwame nkrumahs neocolonialism, the last stage of imperialism
Lamo im not going to support right wing anything. Russia is an empire the same way the USA is; they just happen to be the weaker empire. Not sure why you are wanting people to support other flavors of empire rather than simply rejecting imperialism all together.
then you dont seem to know what imperialism means. i once again ask you to read theory. and yes, sometimes allying with rightists is in fact necessary: the ussr had to ally with the uk and us and mao had to form a united front with the kmt in order to defeat the fascists. you can still criticize your allies, thats what the critical part of critical support is for. dogmatists on the other hand have achieved nothing.
Is Russia trying to take territory from Ukraine not empire? What about the fact that they subjugate and impose their will on Central Asian countries? If Russia supported Israel in its genocide, would it be okay because Russia has not reach a higher level of right wingness?
ahh yes russia, the county famously lacking in territory. the reason for the smo is the ukrainian western-aligned nazi regime violating the minsk accords by refusing to demilitarize, trying to join the fascist nato-block and murdering russian civilians for years on end. the russian government showed itself extremely lenient, to lenient even, as any sensible politician would have staged a military intervention much earlier. your hypothetical scenario about the zionist entity is bullshit, as only material reality matters. just read lenin ffs!
And yet it fights for more.
sorry, but you are obviously not willing to argue in good faith. the reasons for the smo have been stated clearly, yet you choose to prefer the state department propaganda line. your choice, i guess