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[–] ShovelLiz@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

the draft is the real crime

[–] altrent2003@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A volunteer force. It's not up to a president to tell people what they're willing to fight for.

[–] altrent2003@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You must be joking? How does a volunteer force work when dictators forcibly recruit whole armies and march into your country? Living in a democracy where you can comfortably post your thoughts on the web requires sacrifices. If we were to count on volunteers to fight wars there would be no free world to live in. And we would probably all be speaking German today.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not joking. Drafts are immoral. Forcing people to kill each other is immoral.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 7 points 1 year ago

Is it more immoral than letting a murdering dictator dictate and murder in your home?

[–] stealin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You assume Germans all willfully signed up but also assume they only had one reason.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Forcibly Drafting women as well

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

100%

But the chickenhawks here in the US have always been content watching other people march off to war.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cheering for other people's kids to march off and kill one another.

Booing when they come home, covered in blood and sweet and tears, because they didn't achieve some kind of unequivocal victory.

Then claiming the (((Secret Traitors))) cost you the war by undermining moral with information about what was actually going on.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's the chickenhawk playbook.

[–] altrent2003@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So tell me when the US should have not been involved? WWI? Let the Prussian empire roll over Europe? WWII? Let Hitler 'clean up Europe from less than desirable people. Or maybe later with Korea and/or Vietnam? Let these countries fall under control of Russia/China. Because yes, it is evident that these countries have a better societal model, just look at the millions folks immigrating there each year (unlike the US) . Your comment is an insult to all the folks who sacrificed their life to provide a better life to their compatriots.

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok, you go fight then internet tough guy