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Family of Utah man shot dead by FBI after threats to Biden say he was ‘frustrated’ (www.independent.co.uk)
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‘He was understandably frustrated and distraught by the present and on-going erosions to our constitutionally protected freedoms and the rights of free citizens’

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[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He pointed a gun @ FBI agents.

I support the action taken by the FBI here, and I certainly support their use of deadly force on someone who pointed a gun at them. But having lived through the past several years, I'd really like to see a bodycam video which shows this.

Not interested in seeing the man get shot, just want to see a video of him pointing a gun at them. I also acknowledge that I think the FBI seems to have a better record of not lying about their use of force than random police do.

But, I'm still going with (believably) alleged to have pointed a gun at them for now.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed, it's quite possible that both the guy and the police that shot him were in the wrong. We should never assume that because one group is bad the other group opposing them is good.

[–] kelvin0mql@mastodon.hams.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@sparseMatrix @FaceDeer @be_excellent_to_each_other
Also fair.

#ACAB …even if sometimes they do the right thing.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

[–] LevZadov@kolektiva.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@kelvin0mql @sparseMatrix @FaceDeer @be_excellent_to_each_other

#ACAB #FTP
Just because one or two cops do the right thing in no way justifies the existence of a standing police force.
https://controlc.com/0066fe07

[–] sparseMatrix@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

@LevZadov

@kelvin0mql @be_excellent_to_each_other @FaceDeer

Not even going there right now. It is an adjacent issue.

[–] kelvin0mql@mastodon.hams.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@sparseMatrix @be_excellent_to_each_other
I think that’s fair.

I skimmed thru the linked article, and viewed the 2 photos of the decedent.

Given no further evidence, do I think it is most likely true that he pointed a gun at FBI agents who loudly and repeatedly identified themselves? Yes, I do.

Good enough to hold up in criminal court? No.

Good enough for me, an internet rando-crank to say “Tough shit.”? Yup.

I’ve been proven incorrect before. I’m OK with that.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Given no further evidence, do I think it is most likely true that he pointed a gun at FBI agents who loudly and repeatedly identified themselves? Yes, I do.
Good enough to hold up in criminal court? No.
Good enough for me, an internet rando-crank to say “Tough shit.”? Yup.
I’ve been proven incorrect before. I’m OK with that.

Yep also fair enough. Only being pedantic so as to give the same benefit of doubt I would for someone else, but I generally agree with your assessment.