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Jacob Riis Beach hosts the day of body positivity and fun, in the city at the heart of the fat acceptance movement

Fat Beach Day events are springing up across the US in an effort to fight back against fat-phobia, reclaim safe spaces for the community and honor plus-size culture. Today, one of these celebrations is being held to coincide with Pride month at Jacob Riis Beach in New York, a location deeply ensconced in the city’s activism space.

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[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago

Pride is for people who were routinely ostracized, beaten, disowned, and murdered because they were different in a way they couldn't change.

Being overweight is something you can change.

Being fat has always been accepted. It's just not celebrated, because it's not healthy, indicates that you don't take care of your body, and/or you don't have control over your eating habits. There are rare circumstances when weight is influenced by a medical condition, but generally it's people eating too much and not moving enough. Being fat is looked down on the same way as being un-showered, wearing dirty torn clothes, or smelling bad. It's not the person, but the way this person presents themselves, and it can be changed. It's like if a guy wears offensive slogan t-shirts every day, and gets upset when people aren't especially nice to him. It's your own doing, my guy.

Were you kicked out of your family because you're fat? Were you fired from your job because you were fat? Were you denied healthcare because you were fat? When was the last time someone targeted fat people for a mass shooting?

Fat acceptance is just an attempt at finding victim hood within habitual self-flagellation.

But also, I've never fat shamed anyone, I've never picked on someone because of their weight, or "judged" them. People who do that are assholes. I'm just upset that pride is being routinely co-opted by other movements like furries, fat acceptance, and all this other nonsense that, again, nobody was ever actually hurt over. I'm sorry you feel judged at the beach, but gay people are routinely murdered because they're gay and pride is a protest.

[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are rare circumstances when weight is influenced by a medical condition, but generally it's people eating too much and not moving enough.

Do you have any idea how many medical conditions keep people from not moving enough (thereby causing people to eat more calories than they need)? It's NOT rare. Hell, lower back pain is one of the most common reasons people go to the doctor, and guess what's a lot harder to do when your back is screwed up? Exercise.

I am a bicyclist. I love riding. I ride any chance I get. I also currently have chronic problems in my upper, middle and lower back, including a herniated disc in my low back, and it's aggravated by bicycling more than anything else. I've been seeing doctors for 20 years for my back problems, since I was a teenager. I had back problems when I was a size 2, and I have back problems as a size 12.

People will probably want to respond to my comment by saying that diet is a bigger factor in losing weight than exercise, or that people should adapt and find other ways to be active if they can. What I am saying is that weight, medical conditions, and eating more calories than a person can burn -- they're all connected and it's a very common problem.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Just because something is harder to do, doesn't mean not doing it is okay. Overeating when overweight is abuse, full stop.

There are people that have a harder time quitting smoking, there are people that struggle not to cut themselves.

Nobody should look at an 8 year old with a cigarette and say "it's probably just genetic." Nobody should look at a junkie passed out in an alley and say "yasss, they're just living their truth!" Nobody should be incensed when they go a hospital complaining about abdominal pain and the doctor recommends they remove a piece of rebar they fell on.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago

We also extend some sympathy to the cigarette smoker, to the self harmer. Quitting smoking is HARD. It takes a ton of effort, nicotine is literally addictive. Self harm is indicative of any of a number of mental and emotional issues. Those are a nightmare to address

But at the end of the day, they should just grow up and do it, right? Just don't smoke. Just don't cut yourself. Just don't eat to excess. Simple.

Never mind the literal good deserts some people find themselves in. The decades of misinformation from lobbying groups. The fact that everyone has their own one weird trick,so you don't know who to believe. The fact that the cheapest food is often the least nutritious. The fact that, increasingly, people have to work more hours to get by, leaving less time for things like cooking a proper meal.

There are real societal factors that play into the obesity epidemic. We didn't get where we are because everyone was collectively like "let's just get fat, yeah?" - we were all brought to this point by the influences of the world around us. Personal responsibility is all well and good, but it's also not the whole game.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I think we are in many ways talking past each other. Of course it's hard. Of course there are tons of things that make the right choices more difficult. Of people deserve support in making the right decisions. Of course making major societal changes to address the risk factors for obesity is a noble goal.

Movements like this are just cheering people on while they put a gun in their mouth, and it's fucking disgusting.

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