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This is opinion. So read it as such. But consider it please.

Obviously if you read this based on the title. I assume you oppose the Tories.

But if you are wondering why labour are so keen to manage expectations. There is a reason.

Campaign funding wise the Tories are estimated to be 19m ahead of labour. But honestly at the moment they are not spending a huge amount more.

We know the Tories are skilled at election manipulation. So there is genuine fear that the Tories plan to launch a campaign within the last few days.

I.E. when there is less time and funding to ensure fact checking is effective.

They know Starmer is more publicity aware then Corbyn was. He is able to play it in a way that dose not scare traditional Conservative voters.

They also know thanks to Boris, that the courts are unable to punish them for outright lies during any political campaign. And that Rishi is prepared to lie about and accuse civil servants of lying when challenged.

As huge as polling is against the Tories. All it would take is some dramatic claim against the party or Starmer. To convince Tory traditional voters to bite their tongue and vote Tory. While convincing left wing voters not to vote or to switch to 3rd party in seats where labour are the 1st or 2nd party.

The fact we know they have a huge amount of money unspent. Makes it clear they plan to launch something nearer the end of the election. And the only advantage of leaving it so late. Is it will limit the ability of the party to effectively react. Or fact checkers to be able to prove and distribute evidence of lies.

Please be prepared for this.

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[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

At this point your faced with 2 options. Assassination or choosing the lesser evil.

The most absurd false dichotomy I've seen in a while, nice.

"Honestly the first choice just makes you the greater evil."

"Killing Hitler just makes you worse than Hitler" -- outstanding logic. Literally everyone outside of hardcore pacifists would agree there are certain politicians that it is OK to assassinate.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As dumb as that sounds. If someone killed Hitler after he was popular as a german politician. All it would do is create a marter. Hitler lead a political movement his actions were not that of an individual. The German people would not have changed direction if he was assassinated. That is why assassination is not how to solve political issues. And Fascism was a popular idea at the time. In Germany the US and the UK.

The old joke that killing Hitler is a common time travel error. As silly as it is meant to be. Is based on logic. It would need to be done before he has support. Or you just give that support an event to gain more support. If you do it before he has support. You better hope know one knows what you did when you get back.

in real life without time travel. Their are very few times a political assassination would not end up worse off. At least anywhere remotely democratic as Germany was. Politics means people choose a leader so assassination is just trying to use fear to change minds. Fear rarely leads to better results.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You are arguing against killing Hitler. You're right that this sounds stupid, because it is.

But your whole post is really beside the point: there are absolutely, positively, beyond any doubt politicians who could justifiably be assassinated. Set aside guesswork about how such an act would have played out -- the act itself would obviously be justified. It would in no way make you worse than Hitler, or even anywhere near as reprehensible.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm losing my shit here lmao liberals literally condemning the hypothetical killing of fuckin HITLER. What the actual fuck dude.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Oh you think killing literally Hitler would be OK? Think again"

smuglord

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Exactly and if killing Hitler isn't enough then you just keep killing nazis until it is enough, simple as

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

“Killing Hitler just makes you worse than Hitler”

Hitler killed Hitler and he wasn't any worse than Hitler.