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No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple's anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can't even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don't even own it.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm going to put this out there as just an idea, don't buy apple products.

They're shit they've always been shit and they've never been financially worth buying.

[–] catfish@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just got an M2 MBP. In my personal experience it is very much not "shit".

Expensive and a PITA to fix? Quite possibly.

[–] frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

+1 apple products are very much not shit. Otherwise people wouldnt buy and use them as prolifically as they do.

I started using Macbooks because the user experience on windows laptops sucks in comparison.

[–] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What kind of user experience issues are you facing on windows?

[–] legion02@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Let's start with sleep mode not actually sleeping about 50% of the time and turning my backpack into an oven and killing the battery whenever it does?

I wish Mac laptops were crap but they function so much better than windows laptops in so many little ways I find myself having a hard time justifying fighting windows laptops anymore.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern standby fucking sucks, luckily my laptop is from before that existed (and it runs linux but that's besides the point)

Amen to this. I have to deal with it on my Zephyrus M16 which has shit battery life to begin with.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IDK, I've had exactly the same problem with my work MBP. I was late to something and the computer locked up, so as soon as I got some level of control I put it to sleep and it seemed to sleep. An hour later and the fan was going crazy and it was super hot.

It doesn't happen a lot, but macOS isn't immune to stupid issues like that. I've had far more hard crashes with macOS than I have with Linux.

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[–] jimrob4@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

wildly gestures at everything

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[–] Tristan@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I work in computer simulations and their great. CPU is crazy fast, stays cool and silent. Battery life is solid.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

If I bought a framework laptop I would not physically be able to stop fiddling with it. I think I may end up spending more money in the long run. It's too configurable for its own good.

I wonder if they'll ever consider adding an e ink screen option, with a separate normal screen. There have been a few concept laptops like that, but I don't think the demand is enough to actually make that profitable, but if it was just a configuration option of an otherwise more normal laptop, then I could see it being viable.

[–] ChucklesMacLeroy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's sweet. Do you have one?

[–] kylemsguy@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've got a framework 13. It's not better than a Macbook except in terms of user-serviceability.

  • It's hot and loud (hopefully the AMD upgrade will fix this)
  • Battery life is atrocious (hoping AMD and battery upgrade will fix this)
  • Trackpad isn't as good (piano hinge, and the coating has more friction.)
  • fewer ports(!) (limited to 4 expansion cards)
  • sleep is broken (modern standby, ugh. S3 exists on the 11th gen model but it's no better than s2idle. I'll have to see if the AMD one is any better)
  • Keyboard has bigger keys than I'd like, and while the key feel is pretty nice, it's also heaver than any macbook I've used. Also, the layout is standard laptop garbage. The only reason the layout works on a macbook is because of macos's shortcuts. On a PC I want a full PC keyboard like we had on 2011 ThinkPads.

That said, I do really like the laptop. I just find myself reaching for my macbook especially due to the issue with battery life.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ya maybe, but it's not an Apple product and that alone makes it 10x better to me. It's not surprising a new company with products you still need to be on a waiting list to get are not as refined as one of the largest companies on the planet with decades of history.

[–] noodle@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are a lifestyle brand and play on that to keep people trapped. People who buy Apple like the aesthetic of appearing wealthy. It's classism through consumerism, even if the consumers don't realise it.

Apple's terrible privacy policy (yes, despite the word privacy appearing in the ads), atrocious right to repair stance, and aggressive software lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

There was a purpose to buying Apple when they were the only player in the specific niche. Audio engineering is a great example of this. In the 90's, Apple were really the only valid choice in a highly specialist field. Microsoft caught up in the 2000s, with Linux not too far behind in the 2010's.

So nowadays, the limitations are effectively self-imposed. You can spend whatever money you want on a setup that will do whatever you need and the OS is a personal preference.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like Apple very much but it would be stupid to not admit that their new M1 and M2 SOCs aren't great. Their battery efficiency far surpasses any from Intel or AMD and the performance is great.

I think MacOS looks stupid though, I mean, it looks like fucking Gnome.

I assume most people that buy Macs and iphones do it for their software and hardware, not because they want to appear wealthy. Like you said OS is a personal preference and some prefer MacOS and iOS.

...lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don't care.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
…lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don’t care.

And once you are locked-in, the barrier to get yourself out of it is often so high that it dissuades most people from even trying to get out. I moved from macOS to Linux last year, and even though I was only using a small portion of the Apple ecosystem (iCloud was the only thing I believe), it still took a lot of time as they are designed to make it difficult/time consuming to migrate. Not to mention the macOS/iOS only applications you might've ended up using, as cross-platform functionality was not top-of-mind when choosing. In my case, the notes app Bear was such an example.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago (21 children)

The EU needs to fuck their shit up.

Mandate that laptops must have user replaceable storage and RAM (and tablets to have user replaceable storage). My old Dell laptop has windows in the bottom to get to both of those.

The loss of 3.5mm headphone jacks is nothing compared to the loss of that. They're common failure points and easy upgrade paths.

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[–] Zeroxxx@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Say that to Muricans and 90% of iPhone ownership.

[–] kylemsguy@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iPhones tend to be more affordable in the US than in other places in the world. An iPhone SE is only $400, and used iPhones aren't that expensive.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

As much as I do like the looks and compelling as the M1/M2 chips might be, I cannot help but agree.

[–] vidumec@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you don't have a choice if you need Xcode for iOS/MacOS development

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You, correct, if you need to develop for iOS or something Apple related you'll need the appropriate hardware and software.

Which brings us back to my original point don't buy Apple products.

[–] kylemsguy@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

mac mini's are pretty cheap for that purpose. And besides, just because you personally don't use a platform doesn't stop you from making money from people who do.

[–] raginghummus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Except they're not. They're excellent products and since Apple silicon are actually half decent value in some cases.

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