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submitted 10 months ago by pizzahoe@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.ml

No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple's anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can't even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don't even own it.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago

I'm going to put this out there as just an idea, don't buy apple products.

They're shit they've always been shit and they've never been financially worth buying.

[-] catfish@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 months ago

I just got an M2 MBP. In my personal experience it is very much not "shit".

Expensive and a PITA to fix? Quite possibly.

[-] frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

+1 apple products are very much not shit. Otherwise people wouldnt buy and use them as prolifically as they do.

I started using Macbooks because the user experience on windows laptops sucks in comparison.

[-] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

What kind of user experience issues are you facing on windows?

[-] legion02@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Let's start with sleep mode not actually sleeping about 50% of the time and turning my backpack into an oven and killing the battery whenever it does?

I wish Mac laptops were crap but they function so much better than windows laptops in so many little ways I find myself having a hard time justifying fighting windows laptops anymore.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Modern standby fucking sucks, luckily my laptop is from before that existed (and it runs linux but that's besides the point)

Amen to this. I have to deal with it on my Zephyrus M16 which has shit battery life to begin with.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

IDK, I've had exactly the same problem with my work MBP. I was late to something and the computer locked up, so as soon as I got some level of control I put it to sleep and it seemed to sleep. An hour later and the fan was going crazy and it was super hot.

It doesn't happen a lot, but macOS isn't immune to stupid issues like that. I've had far more hard crashes with macOS than I have with Linux.

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[-] jimrob4@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago

wildly gestures at everything

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[-] Tristan@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Agreed. I work in computer simulations and their great. CPU is crazy fast, stays cool and silent. Battery life is solid.

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago
[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 10 months ago

If I bought a framework laptop I would not physically be able to stop fiddling with it. I think I may end up spending more money in the long run. It's too configurable for its own good.

I wonder if they'll ever consider adding an e ink screen option, with a separate normal screen. There have been a few concept laptops like that, but I don't think the demand is enough to actually make that profitable, but if it was just a configuration option of an otherwise more normal laptop, then I could see it being viable.

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[-] noodle@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago

They are a lifestyle brand and play on that to keep people trapped. People who buy Apple like the aesthetic of appearing wealthy. It's classism through consumerism, even if the consumers don't realise it.

Apple's terrible privacy policy (yes, despite the word privacy appearing in the ads), atrocious right to repair stance, and aggressive software lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

There was a purpose to buying Apple when they were the only player in the specific niche. Audio engineering is a great example of this. In the 90's, Apple were really the only valid choice in a highly specialist field. Microsoft caught up in the 2000s, with Linux not too far behind in the 2010's.

So nowadays, the limitations are effectively self-imposed. You can spend whatever money you want on a setup that will do whatever you need and the OS is a personal preference.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I don't like Apple very much but it would be stupid to not admit that their new M1 and M2 SOCs aren't great. Their battery efficiency far surpasses any from Intel or AMD and the performance is great.

I think MacOS looks stupid though, I mean, it looks like fucking Gnome.

I assume most people that buy Macs and iphones do it for their software and hardware, not because they want to appear wealthy. Like you said OS is a personal preference and some prefer MacOS and iOS.

...lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don't care.

[-] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago
…lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don’t care.

And once you are locked-in, the barrier to get yourself out of it is often so high that it dissuades most people from even trying to get out. I moved from macOS to Linux last year, and even though I was only using a small portion of the Apple ecosystem (iCloud was the only thing I believe), it still took a lot of time as they are designed to make it difficult/time consuming to migrate. Not to mention the macOS/iOS only applications you might've ended up using, as cross-platform functionality was not top-of-mind when choosing. In my case, the notes app Bear was such an example.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 10 months ago

The EU needs to fuck their shit up.

Mandate that laptops must have user replaceable storage and RAM (and tablets to have user replaceable storage). My old Dell laptop has windows in the bottom to get to both of those.

The loss of 3.5mm headphone jacks is nothing compared to the loss of that. They're common failure points and easy upgrade paths.

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[-] Zeroxxx@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Say that to Muricans and 90% of iPhone ownership.

[-] kylemsguy@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

iPhones tend to be more affordable in the US than in other places in the world. An iPhone SE is only $400, and used iPhones aren't that expensive.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

As much as I do like the looks and compelling as the M1/M2 chips might be, I cannot help but agree.

[-] vidumec@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago

you don't have a choice if you need Xcode for iOS/MacOS development

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You, correct, if you need to develop for iOS or something Apple related you'll need the appropriate hardware and software.

Which brings us back to my original point don't buy Apple products.

[-] kylemsguy@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

mac mini's are pretty cheap for that purpose. And besides, just because you personally don't use a platform doesn't stop you from making money from people who do.

[-] raginghummus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Except they're not. They're excellent products and since Apple silicon are actually half decent value in some cases.

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