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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That is all well and good.

I'm an engineer, so I look at this from a physical sciences point of view. The main problem with the "no free will" argument is it provides no predictive power, there is no model that can say person X will do Y (instead of A, B, C or D) in situation Z.

What is possible is giving probabilities of Y, A, B, C or D in experimental settings. But in the real world, there are too many variables interacting in a chaotic manner to even give reasonable probabilities; this is why we can only use population level statistics rather than individual level predictions.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I present, the Jim Twins:

Twins separated at birth find each other and discover they've led identical lives source

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The two men had married wives with the same first name and had similar interests and hobbies.

Similar <> identical.

This story has little to add to the debate about free will. How many identical twins separated at birth didn't have similar lives?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is anecdotal, but compelling. Determinism can’t be falsified, but neither can free will. The neuroscience is interesting, and shouldn’t be dismissed. Sapolsky’s debates are informative.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It only seems compelling, there is no base rate of non-similar twins separated at birth. Is this 1 in 2 sets end up like this, every one, 1 in 100,000?

The neuroscience is interesting, but it is not in any way predictive. It is all post-hoc rationalisations of what did happen.

As I said above, I'm an engineer and look at this from a physical sciences point of view. There is no model (as far as I'm aware) that can predict what will happen except in very specific psychological experiments.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well, you’re an engineer, not a neuroscientist like Robert Sapolsky so his research carries more value than your opinion.