Actually, the other way around. We keep on compartmentalizing, Trump can lie all he wants and nothing happens, but Joe stutters and it's a national disgrace... How can you compare one without including the only alternative?

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Republicans accept a post-truth society where everything is someone's propaganda, that the federal government is out to get them and that the union would be better served as a union of state-level republics. Democrats still believe in the existence of a ground truth and want a union with centralized control (i.e., they are Federalists). Like the Federalists, the Democrats are backed by wealthy financial states (New York, California) as opposed to more rural/working-class states (Alabama, Ohio) and support heavy industrial subsidies (Biden's IRA, CHIPS) as well as weak state governments.

This is a fundamental difference that explains a lot, actually. The role of government has always been to convince populations to pursue the policy goals of the elite. The foundations of representative democracy involve choosing which elites' policy goals to follow. The Republicans want to follow state elites (to borrow a Chinese proverb, the mountains are high and the President is far away). The Democrats want to follow federal elites.

Here's the real problem. The US gets to choose between a career politician and a career businessman (swindler, by definition). Who represents the working class? Who represents the people who actually built America's economy?

[–] exanime 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Nobody represents the people, but that's not a new problem nor, in anyway, a new thing in this Trump era

My biggest fear is that the USA always gets to chose someone who does not represent them at all but at least had the notion that we need a planet to live in

Trump is a man child and will see the world burn out of petty spite. And us, in the rest of the world, would have to still live with those consequences

So back to the debate and the choice between Biden and Trump... Sure Biden is a terrible option, like chosing to get cancer... But Trump is like chosing to be gang raped, shot and left for dead in an open sewer and here we are pretending the 2 bad options are somehow the same

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Every American election for /years/ was coke v Pepsi. Not sure when it became coke v battery acid, nor why so many people are like "well I don't like cola so maybe it will be okay to drink battery acid" and why it is that the Democrats still want to run coke when America has made it abundantly clear we'd like to be offered the chance to drink SOME CLEAN FUCKING WATER JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

[–] exanime 1 points 4 months ago

Exactly right

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

My biggest fear is that the USA always gets to chose someone who does not represent them at all but at least had the notion that we need a planet to live in

That's the part you're missing. People are legitimately asking themselves "If these two people are my only choices and won't improve my quality of life do I want to keep living?"

[–] exanime 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But again, maybe Biden is the status quo which is not great I admit, but Trump is torture then death... How is that even a "close" call to make?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Again you are not fully empathizing with people's experience under... whoever for the last 20ish years. Some "young" people who are now in their 30s and 40s never really recovered from the financial crisis. Each day is already torture working a dead end job with shit pay where customers scream at them only to return to a tiny apartment with rent creeping up every single month.

[–] exanime 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not a matter of empathy... If each day is torture under status quo, how is going under a regime promising to make it worse a better option?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're trying to trump despair with reason bud. Doesn't work like that.

[–] exanime 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

How is Trump going to improve anything for your example demographic?

You keep pretending there is logic there yet have shown no logical path there

[–] robinnn@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago

Can you actually explain the difference between the options and reconcile the fact that Hillary and the DNC purposefully elevated Trump behind the scenes (entire "lesser evil" rationale is a farce)? Thx!

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The fact that the democrats have selected such a terrible candidate that Trump has a running chance for the third time in a row and that the US as a whole has selected two awful candidates for possibly the most important job in the world, that is a disgrace, and it is shameful.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Trump would have a running chance regardless of who the democrats pick would be, the electoral college and republican party have made sure of that.

[–] miridius@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Why is Trump the only alternative? There have to be 1000 better democrats than Biden.