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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

@Darkenfolk@dormi.zone is from dormi.zone, the warframe instance. I was talking to Darkenfolk in language I knew they would understand.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe broaden your references for your entire audience next time.

And a fictional character's beliefs doesn't support your argument regardless of who would understand it.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought we were talking about Discworld.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So none of this thread is about actual real human beings and what they believe?

Seems like there would be a more appropriate community in that case.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's no such thing as real human beings, humanity is a social construct.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Insulting someone by insinuating psychosis. You religious fundamentalists are all the same.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if you have psychosis, but you think reality isn't real which is pretty much a basic definition of not being right in the head.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://www.google.com/search?q=is%20consensus%20reality%20a%20social%20construct

Hey look it's the entire fields of psychology and sociology disagreeing with you. Because you're a religious fundamentalist with anti-science spiritual views.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You said humanity is a social construct, not reality.

And if I'm a religious fundamentalist, you can answer the question I've asked you repeatedly: What god do I worship?

That said, 'entire fields of psychology and sociology' disagree with you. Which your googling should have showed you.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://academic.oup.com/book/25419/chapter-abstract/192556497?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Use google yourself, realist evangelical. The evidence against your religion is overwhelming. The rest of us aren't responsible for educating you out of your religion.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The reason you can't tell me what god I worship is that I don't worship any gods. Lying and calling me religious won't make me religious. It just makes you look silly.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You're a realist. You worship reality. It's only been said a dozen times in this thread. You're just denying that you've heard it like you deny the rest of science.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And I told you I worship nothing. Not even reality. I don't even accept that reality is what my senses tell me. For all I know, I'm a brain in a vat.

Lying about what I believe doesn't really work when you don't know anything about me.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You literally said that me not sharing your religion is a symptom of mental illness. You don't accept reality? If that's true, you've done a great deal of personal improvement in the last day. Maybe you're ready to give up realism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I said no such thing. That is a lie. I have no idea why you're telling such a ridiculous lie.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Correct. That is what I said. This is what you lied about:

You literally said that me not sharing your religion is a symptom of mental illness.

I literally said none of that. Thank you for proving it on my behalf.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a screenshot of you saying people who disagree with your religion are mentally ill, because realism is your religion. The absolute lack of critical thinking is astonishing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope, I don't have a religion. That is a lie. Lying about me having a religion will not make it true.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Repeating a lie does not make it true.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good thing it's not a lie then. You're a religious realist.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea what a "religious realist" is, but it's not me even if you keep lying about it. You don't actually know what I believe and this attempt at gaslighting me is not going to work.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's someone who believes in reality. That's not you?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, asking me if I believe what you declare I believe will not gaslight me into believing it either.

I don't know what you define as reality. I doubt I believe in what you define as reality, but I could also be wrong about that.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An objectively extant universe which we experience

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We? How do I know you experience the same universe I do?

How do I know you even exist?

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know we don't experience the same universe. But realists won't accept that fact.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought you said I was a "religious realist" and yet I do accept that. So does that mean you were wrong?

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, it means you're being inconsistent. A day ago you said if I didn't experience the same reality as you, if I thought reality wasn't real (objective), I must be mentally ill. How do you square this contradiction?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You already pasted what I said and now you’re lying about it again.

This is the worst attempt at gaslighting I have ever seen and that’s quite the feat.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See, that's another contradiction. First you accuse me of psychosis and say my disbelief in reality is mental illness. But now you're saying it's all intentional, I'm not experiencing a different reality than you, I'm just lying about it to try and make you think you're crazy. Sorry, but wouldn't the person who called me mentally ill for disagreeing be the one who's trying to convince me I'm crazy? You know, the definition of gaslighting? Wouldn't you be the gaslighter for telling me I'm psychotic?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This gaslighting would work a lot better if you didn’t already paste the screenshot of me saying I didn’t know if you had psychosis.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, you insinuated psychosis and then changed it to a nonspecific accusation of mental illness

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your words:

First you accuse me of psychosis

I literally did the opposite of that. I don't know why you feel the need to keep lying.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You backpedalled the opposite of that. After realising you'd gone too far.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope. I never accused you of psychosis. That is a fact. Repeatedly claiming I did will not make it true.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very hard to believe you're an atheist when you go around charitably reinterpreting words like the most racist megapastors.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Sorry, I still never said you were psychotic no matter what insults you throw at me.