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[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (58 children)

it’s a major flaw and I hope it gets addressed as lemmy/fediverse evolves, or else it’s not going to work

Defederation is an important tool for admins (e.g. if a server full of nazis appears, we want it to be defederated immediately).

Hopefully admins realise over time it's stupid to defederate over trivial stuff, and it causes users to revolt and possibly a decline in your server's activity.

Also, make sure you complain to your admin if they do this, or just leave and go to a new server.

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago (57 children)

(e.g. if a server full of nazis appears, we want it to be defederated immediately).

This seems obvious to everyone else, but not to me. Why would we want to do that instead of just dealing with them one by one when needed or just individually blocking communities/users?

I'm extremely uncomfortable with an authority deciding for me what I may see in my feed and what not.

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Why would we want to do that instead of just dealing with them one by one when needed or just individually blocking communities/users?

Who would be "dealing with them one by one"? People seem to keep forgetting that lemmy, both the code and the infraatructure, is developed and maintained by hobbyists, not by a company.

I'm extremely uncomfortable with an authority deciding for me what I may see in my feed and what not.

You should really think about this, in my opinion, entiteled attitude.. You are not the one paying for the server, you are not the one running the server you are certainly not the one who will have to deal with potential legal actions if illegal shit is going on on your instance..

You are not entiteled to any of this.. You don't have to pay in any way for any of it and lemmy admins don't earn any money from you..

Imagine not only getting into trouble for a hobby, but have random people complain about "authority" because you don't want to/can't deal with potentially illegal shit on your server..

If you are so concerned about "authority" and about "what you see on your feed", start your own server and federate with whoever you want, or start a server that is collectively owned and controlled by it's users or something like that.. You can very very easily do that..

[–] abc123@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This whole comment is the reason Lemmy won't take off

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What exactly is the reason? That Nazis are not allowed? You seriously think not allowing Nazis on the platform will kill it?

[–] r_ffer23@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm worried about that. And every time, they either mention nazis as an excuse, or suggest creating your own instance. I think fragmentation of users and content is only going to promote centralized platforms.

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

People have been "worried about that" for the Fediverse for years. It hasn't stopped it growing.

The main question is "what is the alternative?". The only alternatives are corporate social media (e.g. Reddit), where you're even more at the mercy of the admins, or some kind of peer to peer approach which may take off one day, but hasn't really got going yet.

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