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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

More people (as a percentage of the eligible voting population) voted in 2016 than 2012, and more in 2020 than in 2016.

Finger wagging at people for criticizing the current ruling party (which is sending weapons to a country that is using them to commit genocide) instead of recognizing that we live in an undemocratic system is taking it out on the wrong people. Clinton literally won more votes in the election you're saying people didn't vote hard enough in. It's spitting in the face of everyone whose votes were shat on by the Electoral College to turn around and blame the people who were disenfranchised.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No one is finger wagging for criticizing. They’re being chastised because they whining to everyone how they’re refusing to vote.

Criticize the fuck out of him. I don’t see anyone giving a shit about that-

FUCKING VOTE ANYWAY.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who's saying they're refusing to vote?

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

That’s the topic of conversation here.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I get your point, but only 48% of registered Democrats voted in 2016. 25% were abstention due to dislike of the candidate.

Unfortunately, more Democrats need to vote than Republicans, because of the disproportionate weight of Republican states’ electoral votes.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/06/01/dislike-of-candidates-or-campaign-issues-was-most-common-reason-for-not-voting-in-2016/

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m not seeing where in those links it says only 48% of registered Democrats voted? If I’m missing it please point it out. The overall turnout was about 60% of eligible voters, so Democrats pulling in less than that and STILL getting more votes would be shocking.

Getting angry at voters for not voting hard enough after turnout increases every election cycle should illustrate that yelling at people to vote harder isn’t a solution, it’s a stopgap. It doesn’t change that it’s an intentionally undemocratic system, and it doesn’t prevent the exact same “the person with less votes wins” result from happening again.

[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not sure who's downvoting you for asking for clarification. I think the person you responded to misinterpreted the first figure in their second link. It says among validated voters, 48% voted for Clinton and 45% for Trump.

Nowhere in those links does it say the percentage of voters by party registration that voted, and I can't find it in any other searching either. Your 60% turnout of voting-eligible population comes up all over the place though.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

I don’t see the downvotes since I’m on Blahaj, that’s funny though. Sorry for reading the sources I guess? The 60% figure was straight from one of the linked articles!

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

25% were abstention due to dislike of the candidate.

Sounds like the problem is with who the DMC puts up, then. If 25% of your own team refuse to participate you've got s fucking problem

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Run better candidates to get more votes, it really is that simple. Blaming the voters just makes you look like a tool.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

And thinking that Democrats are primarily progressive makes you look like one.

A better candidate for progressives would have been Bernie. DNC fuckery aside, he was very polarizing to half of the party.