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We coulda had Bernie...
(lemmy.world)
When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he's already told Bibi to "finish it". So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .
Vote in your local elections, and support (or directly work to pass) election reform laws, particularly related to ditching the electoral college.
Not necessarily saying it's the alternative, but it's a start and local elections have larger personal impact most of the time.
I agree with all of this, but it's not an alternative, it's just an additional vector of action. My question is about alternatives to Biden for president in this election.
Well, that's up to the DNC. They could put almost any other prominent dem and they'd probably beat Trump. The DNC also has the ability to change the candidate after the election but before the electoral ballots are cast, at least as far as I understand their rules.
Trust, I understand your point. The primaries are over, and that's where the different candidate should have been chosen. But unfortunately, the whole not knowing any viable alternatives line of thinking is what got the DNC into this mess in the first place.
Yeah, I think any other Dem candidate is a gamble: you lose out on the significant incumbent boost, you only have 4 months to campaign if you start now, and you risk losing momentum on the moderate vote. This isn't an election I want to gamble with, especially with the recent SCOTUS ruling. Everything said and done, I don't think the benefits outweigh the risks.
November 6th is when we should start pushing for significant changes. 11th hour fuckery isn't going to help this cycle.
Except Biden has a 37% approval rating...
That's Jimmy Carter level...
Do you know what happened with Jimmy Carter's second term?
An incumbency only translates to a boost, when being the incumbent is a positive thing.
2/3s of voters don't think Biden is a good president. 56% think he is a bad one.
We can't afford to hope enough people hold their nose for him.
This is bigger than any one person, even Joe Biden
Who then, hmm?
That the DNC would let run?
Whitmere.
That would get the most votes?
AOC
Neither one polls better than Biden.
Not in Data for Progress' poll...
They used to be good, but after Biden won 2020 and they started working with the DNC, things went downhill quickly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress
Did you catch that?
He also bragged in the past about being able to come up with polls that would be likely to result in increased donations to the candidate paying for the poll...
Which worked here too. Because I've seen articles bragging about how much Biden has raised recently
Even before that, they were "quick and dirty" polling.
But that's a whole big can of worms to get into.
The important part is that these candidates are polling similar to Biden against Trump already.
And Biden has the full weight of the DNC behind him (at least up till last week) and an active campaign.
Obviously anyone that became the candidate and started campaign would see a jump.in their numbers unless it was someone like Hillary
Which poll shows either Whitmer or AOC bearing Trump in the general?
What?
You're just ignoring everything I say and asking different questions, even though I've already talked about it:
Ignoring your unfounded claims? Yes, I will continue to do that, because you haven't offered any proof for
other than just claiming it. And now that I'm asking for that proof, you're pretending I'm changing the subject.
I'll ask again: show me actual data which suggests Whitmer or AOC outperforms Biden against Trump in the general.
Mate...
You quoted a poll, I asked if it was the one I'm thinking of (because you didn't link it) and now you're demanding I link you the poll you brought up?
But fine, here's a poll that shows Whitmere polling competitively to Biden
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html
And I never claimed her or AOC are polling better than Biden...
Like, I think you need to take a deep breath, maybe go get a glass of water, and read thru this thread again.
I say one thing, you say I said something else, and then insist on me defending the position you made up.
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because peoples emotions (rightfully) are elevated this election. But I'm pretty close to just blocking at this point because there's no way this ever becomes productive if you continue like this.
I didn't quote a poll, I said there were no polls supporting your conclusion. You assumed I was talking about a specific poll, and then attacked that poll.
Ipsos shows everyone but Harris and Michelle Obama well behind Biden.