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When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he's already told Bibi to "finish it". So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

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[-] multifariace@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The DNC failed to put in a non-establishment candidate, so the Republican voters made it happen.

That huge failure continues to haunt this country while the DNC and the Republican voters double down on their mistakes.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Your dichotomy of saying we have to pick between the Turd or a Douche is disingenuous.

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

As someone who voted 3rd party in 2016 and regrets it. While you are technically correct, the last 8 years have shown that there is so much more on the line than what I was protesting against with my 3rd party vote. I didn't like Hillary Clinton's positions on war. And sure, my vote probably wouldn't have mattered all that much as I live in a very red state, but every time the Supreme Court does some bullshit, I feel a bit of regret that I didn't use my vote to support the best candidate who actually had a chance.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

Ummm.... Trump will turn UP the genocide.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah I'm not sure how to take this post. The image is clearly both-sides-ism but the text of OPs post on it appears to be calling that bad.

This posting format makes sense in specific subreddit/communities like /leopardsatemyface or /whitepeopletwitter. But here it just makes it unclear what the intended message is.

[-] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Way more pro Israel rhetoric that any Biden comment but he then doubles down with lots of anti Palestine comments.

[-] Narauko@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If the choice is between genocide and genocide + fascism, and there is no viable option 3 without genocide, then the argument is still embrace the genocide or democracy ends. The alternative is embrace genocide and who really needs all this democracy anyway?

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Given enough time, shitty Twitter hot takes pollute everything. Interesting implication that somehow Hillary might have a less pro-Israel policy than Biden.

Also: She's cray

[-] S491@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I love that I get to choose whether Palestinians get the slow death of starvation and disease or the fast death of bombs and bullets

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option's standards too.

It's not fucking sustainable.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that's for gay rights and that didn't use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that's that's talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can't see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn't further left than they were.

[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The democratic party didn't even universally support abortion rights not that long ago.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

This. This all day long.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Voting the lesser evil still leads to evil in the long run.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago

You got a practical alternative you'd like to share with the class?

[-] AmbiguousProps 15 points 2 days ago

Vote in your local elections, and support (or directly work to pass) election reform laws, particularly related to ditching the electoral college.

Not necessarily saying it's the alternative, but it's a start and local elections have larger personal impact most of the time.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

I agree with all of this, but it's not an alternative, it's just an additional vector of action. My question is about alternatives to Biden for president in this election.

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[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When the choice is between the lesser evil, and losing our democracy, having our LGBTQ+ friends and family lose their rights to exist and feel good in their own skin, our sisters, mothers, and daughters losing their body autonomy…

I’ll take the lesser evil- ANY FUCKING DAY YOU ASK.

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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 36 points 2 days ago

Remember how blaming individuals solved climate change, too?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

I'm starting to suspect that Taylor Swift doesn't even care what we think!

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[-] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

There are some elections between 1929 and 1939 that would be more consequential.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago
[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago

In exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised… This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is why young people need to vote in every election especially the local ones, even the ones that seem insignificant like a school board election. The only way for a Bernie to win a primary is if such a candidate is not an outlier. The entire party needs to move to the left and that starts from the ground up. Since people need to get exposed to more left wing politicians so left wing ideology becomes more normalized and at the moment it's not.

When young people vote you get people like AOC and Omar into office. The only way to get a Bernie elected is if there are more AOCs and Omars filling seats in local, state and the federal government. From the school board all the way up to the Senate.

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[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago

Too young to remember how bloodthirsty Hilary was as secretary of state. Member when "we came, we saw, he died tehe"?

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A lot of retrospective handwringing forgets this, or the vile comments that came out during Bill’s multiple sexual assault allegations.

Hillary was not the right candidate to fight Trump, Jeb Bush more likely. After Obama, returning to an establishment candidate was a mistake, and I don’t care if “it’s her turn” after stepping aside in 2008. Politics has real consequences for people who don’t vacation in the Hamptons.

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[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It didn't all happen in 2016. Fascists have been quietly diminishing the power of the electorate for decades now. We'll keep on having "the most important election of our lifetimes" until we manage to undo the damage. IF we manage to undo the damage.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The problem is fascists, but it is also compounded by neolib Democrats never reducing government authority either, but often even strengthening it, knowing full well that power can easily be seized by the extreme right at any time.

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