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[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And what history does NATO have of using their arms for offensive purposes, rather than defense?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A really big history... Take a peak at what countries are in nato and realize they have a long history of being directly in conflict with Russia/Soviet Union.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You mean like being a part of the USSR and wanting nothing to do with them?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or directly fighting them and having a 40 year long cold war. Maybe most of those countries have been in direct war with russia in recent memory.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe Ukraine isn't the aggressor here and Putin is proving why Ukraine wants to be in NATO

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago

Ukraine is not the aggressor, I never said it was. What I will say is that this was was 100% preventable with the promise that Ukraine would not join nato. It was a known red line, and it was crossed. "BUT UKRAINE CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS!!!" Great, and NATO can directly say we dont want a conflict and we dont want Ukraine to be a part because we know it is a line that will likely trigger a war.