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I once speculated to a friend about 15 years ago that eventually solid state storage space would be so fast that it could serve as active memory. I can't wait to tell him.

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[–] Antimutt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It would have to be always active, checking for radiation induced flips, not just powered off.

[–] lte678@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

It should be fine for normal use cases when used with error correcting codes without any active scrubbing.

According error rates for ECC RAM (which should be at least by an order of magnitude comparable) of 1 bit error per gigabyte of RAM per 1.8 hours^1^, we would assume ~5000 errors in a year. The average likelyhood of hitting an already affected byte is approx. (5000/2)/1e9=2e-6. So that probability * 5000 errors is about a 1.2 percent chance that two errors occur in one byte after a year. It grows exponentially once you start going a past a year. But in total, I would say that standard error correcting codes should be sufficient to catch all errors, even if in hibernation for a whole year.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory

[–] ghostBones@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I took this article specifically to mean, and that it was referring to, a new form of non-volatile solid state storage. Active memory is by definition, volatile. This article seems to be talking about non volatile RAM, fast enough to function as active RAM. This alone would redefine what a reboot is.

[–] Longpork_afficianado@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My initial thought was that everything would be stored in triplicate, then read in triplicate and 'voted' to the correct value, but I guess even that only extends the time before random bit-flips make the data unreadable. You're probably right on the need for active error checking if there is an intention to store anything long-term in this manner.

[–] lte678@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

TMR (so the tripilicate method) wouldn't be super suitable for this kind of application since it is a bit overkill in terms of redundancy. Just from an information theory perspective, you should only have enough parity suitable for the amount of corruption you are expecting (in this case, not a lot, maybe a handful of bits after a year or two). TMR is optimal for when you are expecting the whole result to be wrong or right, not just corrupted. ECC and periodic scrubbing should be suitable for this. That is what is done by space-grade processors and RAM.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

wrapped in gold like a satellite?

[–] lte678@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

The gold around satellites are actually very thin layers of mylar, aluminum foil and kapton (a type of golden, transparent plastic) which are used to keep heat inside the satellite inside, and heat outside, outside (See Multi-Layer Insulation). Radiation shielding usually comes from the aluminum structural elements of the spacecraft, or is close to the electronics so you do not waste too much mass on shielding material. Basically, shielding efficacy is most determined by its thickness, so it quickly becomes quite heavy.

[–] romano@lemmy.shtuf.eu 2 points 1 year ago

That's not gold, it's just a heat sheet.