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Lemmy.world announces blocking communities via Discord [update] (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Machefi@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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This is in regard to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities from other instances. This post is not about whether you agree with the decision. It's about how the admins informed their users.

A week ago Lemmy.world announced their Discord server. This wasn't very well received (about 25% downvotes, which is rather bad compared to other announcements). The comments on that post were turned off, presumably to avoid backlash.

Before that, announcements about the instance used to be posted to !lemmyworld@lemmy.world. This time, the information was posted on the Discord server instead.

I don't agree with this. Having to use a proprietary platform to participate in an open-source one goes against the very purpose for me, especially when the new solution isn't really an improvement (as before the information about the platform was closer to it).

Edit: Corrected the announcements community name.

Update: Lemmy.world finally released an announcement and promised they would inform about similar actions and gather feedback in advance in future.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 358 points 10 months ago

I agree 100%. If they are going to make an announcement about lemmy.world, they need to do it on lemmy.world. We're not all on the Discord. I, for one, don't want to be.

[-] Sentinian@lemmy.one 117 points 10 months ago

Discord is not something that is easily indexable or linkable. Which means you have to rely on other people if you aren't part of it. This is a huge issue as anything can be faked

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

They absolutely should make announcements here, but I think it's a matter of people attacking them all of the time. We have to give them a lot of credit for handling so many ddos attacks, someone really doesn't want this place to exist. Imo, let's give them a chance to talk about it and not make this a bigger deal than it is. This is a volunteer site and instance, not a billion dollar company so go easy.

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 27 points 10 months ago

Its so weird how aggressive people are against lemmy. People don’t want this entire platform to exist, not just lemmy.world. Like lemmynsfw has had people try to suspend pretty much all their payment processors and hosts repeatedly

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

I 100% agree. My conspiracy theory is that it isn't reddit or the dude who was upset they banned him, but the people who paid reddit to handle narratives. Lemmy is breaking the PR system. Politics, technology, and also other big communities are taking off and that's a no go. I could be wrong though, it could be one of the first two or a combo of all three.

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 10 points 10 months ago

I think you underestimate just how bored people can be and how just innately some people are driven to just start shit for seemingly no reason. If there's a good thing and a new idea to spring up, there's always at least one person to try and wreck it for everyone.

Granted though, if Reddit is paying someone to basically cause chaos here in some way it's honestly kind of appreciated. Thank you kind strangers for stress testing the platform and making it more robust and encouraging other instance admins to coordinate with one another.

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You may be right but I think you might be underestimating how much a threat Lemmy is to a lot of huge companies. Journalists and/or people who work for politicians would get a lot of info and spread info at reddit. I'm sure technology has people like that too.

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 7 points 10 months ago

Oh no, I do think it's a huge threat. The fediverse in its entirety is horrifying to so many large companies. That's why facebook is desperate to try and step into the fediverse and is getting more and more pissed off as people are going "nuh uh!"

Mastodon is good, but lemmy does have the most potential out of most fediverse projects to become truly really really big if done right. It's like activitypub was made for this kind of platform. Having to just pull entire communities rather than specific users is a big step up from mastodon and reduces the complexity that bars a lot of people from joining mastodon

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't understand what one thing has to do with the other.

No one should voice their concerns with the direction of the instance? Everyone should just be silent because the community is run by volunteers?

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Or secondarily I'd say Mastodon. They have an account but never post anything there.

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah seems like the mastodon account would make a lot of sense as a kind of quick and dirty feed of information, particularly when it comes to stuff that's less "announcement" oriented. Like up down or performance issue statuses and the like.

[-] Pacers31Colts18@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

They tried to. It was down at the time though.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

How would they make a post about a lemmy.world outage on lemmy.world

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

It wasn't about an outage.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

One of the original intentions of posting somewhere else was about outages.

Something like "we are down so much come read about it live over at ..."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Okay, but that's not what this is about.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

"why did lemmy.world mods start posting things to a discord group?" Is the implied point of the thread we are in.

Acknowledged that THIS post by them was regarding defederating the piracy group.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, that is not the implied point. This is specifically about announcing blocking communities and instances. No one expects lemmy.world to announce it's down on itself.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

Hence they created a discord to provide up to the moment updates on features/changes of lemmy.world.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You really don't get this and I'm not going to spend any more time holding your hand through it.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

Bro,

Discord created to provide up to the moment outage/stability updates.

Discord used in this instance to provide up to the moment defederation updates.

It's like, mostly the same words.

I acknowledged the use case is different and explained the reasoning they chose that platform.

Simple stuff.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

You still don't get it. You clearly don't want to. But your ego-stroking has been noted.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Don't act like you're some dominant figure here, it's very toxic.

we disagree, and you are purposefully pretending I'm typing in wingdings or something.

Lemmy does not provide what they needed, and they justified their actions. If people don't like it, that's fine, but to suggest they mindlessly acted is purposefully missing the point because people aren't happy with them.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Don’t act like you’re some dominant figure here, it’s very toxic.

What are you even talking about now? I didn't even bother reading the rest because that's such a bizarre thing to say that I couldn't keep going. What long-lost blocked-up crevice did you pull that out of?