However, it turns out that the US is not the only party involved in international treaties. We can't just pick up the ball and go home mid game, then come back in a year with a new coach and expect everyone to continue playing like nothing happened

The original deal was a difficult achievement on its own. Now, we need to not only repeat that, but also deal with the fact that Iran does not trust us to follow through with our end of the deal. Overcoming that needs good negotiation, and a lot of concessions we did not want to make.

This is why administrations of both parties have historically upheld deals made by the opposing party that they didn't like. Unilaterally breaking deals every 4 years because of who wins an election makes the US a non-credible partner in negotiations. You can't just wave a wand and fix that.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No country should trust the US to keep their word. They never do. If the US honored treaties they would be paying out about a third of the current yearly treasury expenditure (about 2 trillion) on concessions and direct payments to Native American tribes which were already a bad deal for the tribes when they signed them and weren't paid out even a single penny.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Broken Treaties With Native American Tribes: Timeline

Between the Revolutionary War and the aftermath of the Civil War, over the course of almost a century, the United States and Native American nations signed some 368 treaties that would define their relationship for centuries to come.

The treaties keyed off the fundamental idea that each tribal group was an independent nation, with their own right to self-determination and self-rule. But as white settlers began moving onto Native American lands, this idea came into conflict with the relentless pace of westward expansion—resulting in many broken promises on the part of the U.S. government.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Biden did not have the option after Trump betrayed them. What are you talking about???

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not? "Trump was an anomaly, if you agree to it we'll make a new binding agreement that's better for you than the previous one and this time by law there's self-imposed consequences if we renege a second time." Are you saying they wouldn't take that?

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair when Trump is quite pissibky about to be elected again and his entire party seems to have bought into his general way of doing things, I don't think Iran would be wrong to doubt that claim of him being an anomaly. How would Iran meaningfully enforce penalties upon an America with a second Trump presidency, or a DeSantis presidency, or a Vance presidency?

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, Iran probably wouldn't believe them, but if they get some money or something else from it that they can eat until the USA reneges then that's good enough. And probably whatever penalty will actually be enforced, the USA likes some decorum. If it isn't enforced then it's a good PR for Iran and anyone who didn't act as a guarantor for USA.

I'm arguing against the user saying Biden was left with no choice. I think Biden's regime had a good route towards fixing the mistake, and chose not to take it. I'm trying to say 'Trump' isn't to blame, but the USA, including the USA of today.