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The people of Donbass want to join the Russian Federation, nobody but Nazis and NAFO dipshits who don't know anything about the conflict care what the corrupt regime in Kiev has to say about sovereignty, if they wanted to maintain territorial integrity then they shouldn't have couped a democratically elected government and tried to ethnically cleanse their fellows citizens for speaking one of their mother tongues
Also don't trivialize rape for the sake of making some half-baked geopolitical analogy, it's gross incel behavior
The territory Russia wants conceded is more than just the Donbas tho, isnβt it.
Isn't it just Donbas + official recognition that Crimea is Russian?
2022 Putin officially annexed the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts into Russia. Some of that area is still under Ukrainian control.
No, honestly that would be reasonable at this point, but the maps I have seen include large swathes of territory outside most of the peopleβs republics that have been established.
Could be just a negotiation tactic, set the initial claim too high to have more wiggle room in negotiations.
Maybe it's just cope but I don't think they'll be so unreasonable as to keep all of the original claims.
We'll see I guess.
They are irrevocably annexed as Russian territory. It remains to be seen how much more will be annexed
The people of Kherson don't want to be part of Russia. Why is Russia trying to annex it? Why is the russian military leveling towns, sometimes still with civilians living there, in the very regions they are purportedly trying to liberate? Let's be clear here, neither US nor Russia actually cares about people living there, they just want territory, resources and influence.
Why is Russia trying to annex it?
Oh I don't know maybe because the Kiev regime had been telegraphing for eight years their plans to use the oblast as a vector to reconquer Crimea
You think the Russian military are the one leveling towns and territories they'll have to rebuild and administer, filled with allied civilians? Motherfucker, the Ukrainian army are the ones openly leveling towns to stop any and all Russian advances, angering western advisors by wasting mountains of artillery ammunition while hunting "collaborators" in the regions they're purportedly trying to liberate, only Bakhmut can be said to have been destroyed in equal measure by the Russians, and that was a result of Ukraine turning that town into Redux-Stalingrad for no real strategic reason beyond media glazing
You literally don't know anything about this conflict
Russia is building a buffer zone to push the site of potential NATO bases and weapons systems further and further from Moscow, and to be able to militarily hold that buffer zone (requiring infrastructure, transportation, continuity with Crimea which was annexed for similar reasons, etc.). It views NATO expansion and encirclement as an existential threat, for pretty good historic reasons.
You're right that its intentions aren't altruistic as other users are claiming/implying. It is a nation-state. But its intentions are predictable and inline with those that basically every other nation-state would have in the same situation, because that is the nature of the institution.