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The Anti-Corruption Foundation, which criticizes Putin and is reputed to be the best independent pollster in Russia, just did a poll in Germany & France. It asked: who's responsible for starting the Ukraine war?

Here's Germany's result:

Here are the polling numbers from France:

It appears that both in Germany and France, more people believe that the US is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine than believe that Putin is responsible.

Leonid Volkov of the Anti-Corruption Foundation claims that these numbers show how effective Putin's propaganda is in Germany & France.

This is a laughable explanation of the numbers given that populations of Germany and France are exposed to US propaganda to a far greater degree than they are exposed to Russian propaganda. In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.

One can only imagine what these numbers would look like if the populations of Germany and France were not being bombarded with US government propaganda about the origins of the Ukraine war.

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[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is up with those French numbers? That's way more than 100%

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It shows in the graph. The French question was multiple choice.

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Ah, good catch. Still weird that they used two different polling methods though.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess these aren't mutually exclusive. You can believe that both US and NATO are responsible for example.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Germans had to pick. The French could choose both.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

mystery solved :)

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had considered that, but I find it weird that Germany's numbers seem to add to 100% (can't be bothered to do the math).

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

And I'm too lazy to look up the methodology they used. :)