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"""shocked!"""
Also, she claims she had to slash open her leg in order to take a day off without being harassed for it.
I can believe the new CEO is surprised since he just stepped in (including the previous months of negotiations) but obviously there are things that Linus hasn't told him. And since most of the important people at the company are Linus year long friends, they had covered each other up.
And yeah, self harming to take a sick leave is fucked up, pretty sure denying sick leave to an employee in Canada is ilegal since there they actually give a shit about labour laws.
As I understand it, she wasn't "denied" it, technically, she was harassed and belittled and made to feel like a bad person for taking it.
Maybe the law in Canada can still be used? I hope so.
Canadian labour laws are trash. Better than America's sure, but still trash compared to many other countries.
It depends on the province. Usually labor laws should be a provincial power, although there is some federal laws too. Like here in Quebec our labor laws are generally quite good. No idea what it's like in BC tho, it's generally a more economic-right leaning province so I wouldn't be surprised if it's bad.
Also, lets remember that when activison Blizzard got shit about the gigantic amounts of sexual harassment allegations, they pulled a "we investigates ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" and is still avoiding being investigates by independents.
Immediatly jumping to hire an external investigator is a good move from the CEO, given how low the bar is.
Yeah, it really is the best thing he could do in this scenario.
I do remember. I would be playing Diablo IV right now if not for their bro culture crap. Oh well.
Sorry but that sounds like bullshit. There is no logical sequence of actions leading from "your employer being an asshole" into "you having to slash your leg open" which wouldn't first pass through "handing in your notice". Unless you are a literal slave.
If you are in enough mental distress self harm starts looking like a real good idea as an excuse to not go to work. Of course it’s not logical or reasonable. It’s a reaction to stress. It’s an irrational intrusive thought.
If I hadn’t experienced something similar I would feel a little skeptical. :(
Right, no one has ever hurt or even killed themselves because they couldn't handle the stress of their job...
Humans are emotional beings. Working for LTT is a dream job for lots of people in the industry including Madison. She was told to tough it out by numerous people (managers/coworkers) and that's what she was trying to do until she broke and had to come up with an excuse that they would have to accept.
Right, but still nobody is forcing you to continue in a job which it turns out is not a good fit for you. I for my part would consider working on SpaceX rockets a dream job but I know I need at least 16h of downtime every day and a weekend, so that is just not gonna happen.
And even if other company cultures are not as mercifully transparent, IMHO complaining about having to mutilate yourself when you could have just as well simply quit and not mutilate yourself is a bit much.
edit: And I'm not saying a company with this sigma grindset bullshit work culture is perfectly fine. It's not! That's why it makes even less sense to me to pour your lifeblood into it when this crap doesn't suit you.
She didn't "complain" about harming herself. Nobody is asking what you would do in this situation. Somebody reiterated what she said and you called it bullshit. I was simply giving you the context of the situation. You're going to have a bad time in life if you expect everyone to act logically. Hell even your responses are emotional. I would suggest you read her messages
"Hell even your responses are emotional."
It's the greatest irony of all: pure logic would dictate there is no point in keeping on disputing this in the face on negative feedback and with nothing to gain from it.
In fact pure logic would dictate there is no point in commenting in social media if it's not going to lead to some concrete upside for the one commenting.
I don't know what country you live in but are they accepting immigration?
Had a shit boss and company owner years ago (and they were two different people, just to be clear). I was mid-senior in my field. At last straw of incompetence and greed I looked for a new job. Handed over my resignation two weeks later. Work in IT, live in Europe. Don't take shit.
In my experience, in Europe also, it really depends on the country, how senior you are and whether what you do inside IT is in high demand or not.
A junior/mid-level level social media marketing person in, for example, the UK, isn't going to have the same de facto possibility to tell them "screw you" and quit, as a senior systems designer-developer in, say, Germany.
Mind you, even in the UK, if said junior/mid-level social media marketing person is a permanent employee, he or she will have way, WAY, WAY more legal rights than in the US.
Would love to emigrate to Europe myself. Familial and social reasons make that difficult. A lack of funds make it unfeasible. So for the foreseeable future I've gotta deal with the crap I've got.
But honestly, explain how this makes sense please. Why would anyone physically harm themselves to be able to stay with a company that's apparently filled with assholes anyway. Money? There's no paycheck large enough to make me slash my leg for it (edit: well, of course not none whatsoever...but nothing within an order of magnitude of a realistic salary). And surely unemployment benefits must be a thing in Canada too to keep you alive while looking for another job (in case you really feel you have to leave before finding something else).
I can't speak for Canada but the American unemployment system is broken like the rest of them are. It won't pay enough for a lot of people. I know more than one person who wouldn't get it at all after they got screwed over on an appeal which meant that they had to pay back what they were already sent, often many weeks later. If it's not paid back then you just won't receive unemployment until it is.
There's also fields it can be hard to break in to. They tend to be small and insular so getting a bad rep from one can blackball you from your dreams. Doubly so or more if you're a women or otherwise not a straight white Christian guy.
Cutting is also not an uncommon mental health issue. With any number of other things weighing down it can easily become a more reasonable seeming option.
There's a whole world of experiences out there. A lot of people are desensitized to things you'd probably find outlandish.